how are these same Japanese products priced within the market place now that the quality and performance is very good?
Less than their German counterparts + more reliable is the answer. They probably don't fix emissions tests either
I guess you would not call it production work but I do produce something.Do you use these machines for production or industrial work, and if so wonder whether you were influenced by companies such as Rolls Royce, Morgan, Land Rover, and Network Rail all being users of R-Tech equipment?
My prediction - China will soon be able to consistently turn out products that rival anything made anywhere else in the world, and they will continue to be able to do it cheaper. While they do that, they'll continue to make silverline tools
Most of your competitors have though, so only a matter of time...
As I said before I agree with what your saying the only difference I see will be the price, where as I don't think when the quality and performance is exactly on a par with the best that Europe can offer their prices will also be right up there.
The only reason I say that with a bit of certainty is because as a company LORCH looked at having some of the smaller machines made there. A team mixed between design engineers, purchasers, electronics and software guys from Germany spent best part of a month touring the larger machine manufacturers in China.
When it came to the point of pricing up machines made to our spec regarding components, our duty cycles (for real, not just stickers saying as much) crash proof from 80cm, 3yr warranty etc etc the prices offered to us, wasn't a million miles away from our own production costs hence the reason we didn't do it.
The simple fact is people who use welders all day rarely risk the downfall in production for a few quid.
people who dabble will do as they wish
I dont know how long the jasic welders will last.like hotrodder said though,i have used the wse200 etc line up and its not a good memoryHow do you know though? They could be every bit as good? Like I said good brands fail as well. Till someone says I use a Jasic and it's absolutely brill/rubbish we are never going to know. You are making assumptions because it's cheap and Chinese. Like Matt says they need to be put into a dusty harsh workshop and worked everyday to find out what it's really like compared to anything else. As a business I would look at it, yes if I had the money I would also consider a lorch/kemppi but to someone starting off you could buy a lot more gear as well as your welder
It's about knowing the unit in question and using it for what it is built for. I've also used a TA 161. If I wanted to run cels or even some difficult low hi's it's not gonna be up for the job. It does however run 6013's perfectly fine. Which is the common choice for general fab It's not a site welder like the old transpockets 1400/1500. It's not going to stove an open root down a pipe. The TA range of units are IMO on the better side of there price bracket market having used a few they have the edge over RTech/jassic IMO. They are not sanrex machines not even close but then sanrex are aimed at a different audience. Thing is you personally seek something from a unit that even a lot of the top brands cannot deliver (ability to run cels) this means your gonna be harder to please than most. For me the star feature is AC arc stability. I'm yet to find a unit that offers this as good as the mw2000 with there "fuzzy logic" thing. Again though this just shows that different features looked for in a unit can also seperate the good/bad.I dont know how long the jasic welders will last.like hotrodder said though,i have used the wse200 etc line up and its not a good memory
SIP rebranded a couple of years ago to high vis green from china and ive seen them falter.worthless machines now?
All week ive had the chance to put the chinese made Thermal Arc 161 to test and after 4 days of use im already looking to buy something else.give me a 10 year old Sanrex version any day.
i can honestly say if i got a job in a workshop or site firm and saw jasic or Rtech welders being used i would immediately start my search for the next job.