Munkul
Jack of some trades, Master of none
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That's as far as I know anyway, I may be wrongThis is what i suspected
That's as far as I know anyway, I may be wrongThis is what i suspected
But we were talking about competency ?I never said industry standard for competency I said industry standards. Which means for the work they carry out. For carpentry the work has to either follow a British standard or a eurocode. If it doesn't meet one of them it's deemed to be unsafe. Brickwork is the same.
But we were talking about competency ?
I suspect what you are referring to are standards that specify construction, materials etc etc
Yes and if you aren't capable of meeting those standards you aren't competent are you. So therefore you need to compare work to both the industry standard and codes of best practice to judge competency. Not looking from multiple angles is one of the failings of the current system
It may well be the legal definition. But go on any building site going and you can see people with years of experience. Loads of training and every certificate going. Yet still not any good at the job leading through to be downright dangerous. You simply cannot account for how inventively stupid the human race can be. You never will be able to.
But it has already been said, competency has a legal meaning, just meeting the standards is one aspect of it, far from the whole picture
I agree but that's where the duty of care of the employer extends to putting the appropriate person to the task at hand. If you know that a person has a tendency to be gung-honor lacksadasical with respect to a particular aspect of the work then you simply dont out them on it of there is significant risk involved. This is where the experience comes in - it's not just their experience, it's your experience of them. Any manager who isn't aware of this isn't competent themself.
Thats literally what my post said.
And my point through all of this is that our means of judging competency is severely lacking and needs updating.
It's very to do this in alot of cases due to in the modern world though. The turn over of staff especially in the construction industry means managers have to rely on qualifications. This is where a a digital portfolio of work would literally be an open book of people skills abilities and competency
That is a problem, but I get around it by putting a new operative to work with someone I know the value of.
If you look into this youll be in a great big can of worms….Point me towards the industry standard for competency in being a carpenter for example.
Genuine question as i don't know
I’m a specialist in cans full of wormsIf you look into this youll be in a great big can of worms….
You really exude experience, professionalism and dare I say it competence.I agree but that's where the duty of care of the employer extends to putting the appropriate person to the task at hand. If you know that a person has a tendency to be gung-honor lacksadasical with respect to a particular aspect of the work then you simply dont out them on it of there is significant risk involved. This is where the experience comes in - it's not just their experience, it's your experience of them. Any manager who isn't aware of this isn't competent themself.
You really exude experience, professionalism and dare I say it competence.
I bet the firm you work for are dead chuffed you work for them.
I know in your trade if it goes wrong it’s hardly ever a good ending
Managment competency is an even bigger can of worms than that of trades competency.I agree but that's where the duty of care of the employer extends to putting the appropriate person to the task at hand. If you know that a person has a tendency to be gung-honor lacksadasical with respect to a particular aspect of the work then you simply dont out them on it of there is significant risk involved. This is where the experience comes in - it's not just their experience, it's your experience of them. Any manager who isn't aware of this isn't competent themself.
Nope, I like bacon butties
and still know bugger all, now you can do a 5 week course and become an "electrician"![]()
I remember seeing a lot of the "deskilling" going on at the hinkley point sites , Say it would put a lot of sparky work down to lower paid and less qualified " cable fitters " or something similar who wire all the cable then they only pay proper sparks to wire it up I suppose. Think the unions and strikes stopped that in the end but did have the nerve to tryand still know bugger alli wouldnt even allow an apprentice to work on his own after a year without supervision . they used to do the 6 month wonderboy course that was bad enough
In reality though pulling cable to a location and clipping it isnt really sparkying. Its just a physical task undertaken with a sparking telling you where to run it and which cable to use. Especially in a none domestic setting.I remember seeing a lot of the "deskilling" going on at the hinkley point sites , Say it would put a lot of sparky work down to lower paid and less qualified " cable fitters " or something similar who wire all the cable then they only pay proper sparks to wire it up I suppose. Think the unions and strikes stopped that in the end but did have the nerve to try