H&S is 90% Ballcocks

[keithski122]

It would be quite nice to have a bit of health and safety where I work.

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

They have added in additional S now too

Health, safety, security and environment (HSSE) | Careers | Home

bp makes the safety and reliability of all of its operations the top priority

www.bp.com

I do apologise. I've never worked for BP so I'm not au fait with their inner workings.

 

[Parm]

Inhaling the highly corrosive gas O2 as well

It’s proper dangerous

A fuel in that pesky fire triangle

 

[mike os]

And as for dihydrogen oxide … it’s a killer

 

[Parm]

what annoys me is all these inspectors have there own take on safety and it isnt standard each have there own idea what to implement so every year inspections and reports are diffrent

Incorrect

 

[Danez]

Seeing how ape **** my instructor went when someone left a chuck key in has ensured I've never done it.

Isn't the problem with preventative measures like the chuck key spring or switch is that people will rely on them too much? So if they were to fail there could more more of a chance of a key being left in

 

[Lewis_RX8]

They have added in additional S now too

Health, safety, security and environment (HSSE) | Careers | Home

bp makes the safety and reliability of all of its operations the top priority

www.bp.com

We have a SSHE department so also added in the other S but another order just to be different

 

[Arc Tourist]

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Then the `H&S` prat got a wift of it and first thig he said was ` oh a lathe, can be dangerous, folk leave the chuck keys in` a bit risky.

We cant afford the risk.
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Here is a simple fix for chuck key safety. This setup was on the drill presses and a similar one on the lathe start stop switches in my Jr. High School's metal shop. The student's couldn't start a machine without the chuck key being used. I think I posted this on the forum before ? Here's a quick sketch.
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[optima21]

someone just needs to invent a keyless chuck

 

[Keith 66]

Modifying an on off switch like that shown by Arc Tourist would be an absolute no no today in any educational setting, Service providers H&S guys would wet themselves.

 

[James1979]

Service providers

which genius got rid of all the good kit and brought them in?

 

[daleyd]

I always thought that the chuck key should be part of a push to make switch. If it's not in its rightful place then not pushing switch and no power etc.
Failsafe for people when leaving key in chucks etc.

A company I worked for in the past made unwinding machinery for newspaper and magazine printing - the early ones had spindles that were inserted in the reel core and tightened by hand using a large t bar. (Later ones had automatic jaws)

They had a stowage with a micro switch in, if the t bar wasn’t inserted in its stowage it would prevent any rotation of the new reel into the unwinding position. Something like that would be easy enough to incorporate into a lathe.

 

[8ob]

Here is a simple fix for chuck key safety. This setup was on the drill presses and a similar one on the lathe start stop switches in my Jr. High School's metal shop. The student's couldn't start a machine without the chuck key being used. I think I posted this on the forum before ? Here's a quick sketch.
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That’s sorted the Chuck key left in the Chuck issue, just need to make an isolator that needs tying back with the scarf. At the point you are convinced something has been made idiot proof a better idiot will prove you wrong. They are constantly evolving.

Bob

 

[daleyd]

That’s sorted the Chuck key left in the Chuck issue, just need to make an isolator that needs tying back with the scarf. At the point you are convinced something has been made idiot proof a better idiot will prove you wrong. They are constantly evolving.

Bob

You can obviously not get rid of every risk but what you can do is sort things that are easy to fix, so why wouldn’t you?

Leaving the chuck key in is an easy thing to do, but equally it’s pretty easy to design something that goes a long way to making sure it doesn’t happen. Particularly in a learning environment where people are just starting out with unfamiliar equipment, have a lot of other things on their mind and don’t have the benefit of years of being perfect

 

[Keith 66]

which genius got rid of all the good kit and brought them in?

Accountants, or more properly bean counters.

 

[8ob]

Leaving the chuck key in is an easy thing to do, but equally it’s pretty easy to design something that goes a long way to making sure it doesn’t happen. Particularly in a learning environment where people are just starting out with unfamiliar equipment, have a lot of other things on their mind and don’t have the benefit of years of being perfect

Maybe, one could argue they should be familiar with and trained in the use of equipment before being let loose on it, probably the reason schools are off loading all their gear and phasing out metalwork/carpentry classes.

Bob

 

[tom2207]

It would be quite nice to have a bit of health and safety where I work.

then implement it ,,, its a mind set not an enforcement option ,,,
many bad practices are just due to folk not thinking just one step further , or laziness and by that I mean its the whole ... thats the way its always been done ,, etc etc , its easier that way ,,,
health and safety is a poor term for what others would call ''smarter thinking''
lets face it most of the health and safety guys Ive ever come across will seldom offer any positives , just negatives , its a cant do that mindset . If your doing the job already odds on you know what needs sorting out and looking at , most of the time its not even expensive , all it takes is a little more effort.
Most of the way through my life there has been no health and safety guys present and thats been just as well or very little would have got done ,,, they will turn up long after the jobs finished and tell you what you shouldnt have done , but seldom offer better ideas on what could have been done.
You are your own health and safety inspector , you either choose to do something about it ,, or just keep doing what you already know is wrong then blame someone else for it all.

 

[daleyd]

Maybe, one could argue they should be familiar with and trained in the use of equipment before being let loose on it, probably the reason schools are off loading all their gear and phasing out metalwork/carpentry classes.

Bob

I mean thats just a strawman argument isn't it? Of course they should be familiar with it, no one is suggesting otherwise.

However one could also argue that when you are in your teens and let loose with some rotating machinery it might be fairly easy to have one's mind elsewhere, therefore anything which might prevent a (very preventable) mishap would be a good thing. What would you rather, the machine not starting a few times because the key isn't in it's holder, or someone getting smacked in the mush with a chuck key?

 

[Pigeon_Droppings2]

Seeing how ape **** my instructor went when someone left a chuck key in has ensured I've never done it.

I seem to remember at college if you left the key in there was a device that would yell at you and poke you with a ruler...it was pretty effective

 

[bricol]

Here is a simple fix for chuck key safety. This setup was on the drill presses and a similar one on the lathe start stop switches in my Jr. High School's metal shop. The student's couldn't start a machine without the chuck key being used. I think I posted this on the forum before ? Here's a quick sketch.
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Couldn't start - unless a screwdriver, pencil, bit of round bar, or sometimes a chuck key, was shoved in the hole . . .