Shox Dr
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Blimey.....when did you go to school ?
My point is they are not dangerous. Hit one with a hammer and see, they go bang.
Blimey.....when did you go to school ?
My primary school had a starting pistol for sports day when i started... locked up in a safe most of the time. I wasn't impressed... dad bought me my own and told me to go scare the crows away from barley fields by the age of 9 or 10.Blimey.....when did you go to school ?
your message has the tone of suggestion that i don't know what they are, the tool itself has the same interlocks as a nailgun and pretty much the same outcome should some numpty decide body parts are a good substitute for proper materialsNot at all. In his original post, he said 'cartridge tools'. To me, that suggests a DX450 Hilti, which uses black powder to fire the shots. 'Risk' is a broad term, which covers a great deal more than someone pulling the trigger at the point of use.
The biggest difficulty with cartridge tools is proper management of the cartridges. They are supposed to be stored in a certain way, issued in a controlled way, used in a controlled way and disposed of in a controlled way. The shots are normally in a strip of ten and if you return a strip to the stores with one unused, it is supposed to be treated differently to one with all ten used. It is likely a similar situation with the fuel-fired Paslode stuff. The full and empty fuel cells need a proper management system.
Site managers start to lose sleep when strips of half empty bullets are left around on the floor or potentially explosive fuel canisters chucked in with the canteen waste.
I went to the hospital with an inch long splinter in my hand, the nurse spent ages gradually working it out, must have taken about half an hour. I asked her if this was a normal day type occurrence & she said the worst ones were builders that managed to fire serrated nails through their hands. There was no way you could get them out painlessly. Apparently this was quite a common injury!your message has the tone of suggestion that i don't know what they are, the tool itself has the same interlocks as a nailgun and pretty much the same outcome should some numpty decide body parts are a good substitute for proper materials
Banning things drives me absolutely nuts. Sadly when things go wrong and folk get hurt the normal reaction is to ban things.
This isnt risk management. Its risk avoidance. We cannot avoid risk. Its something we are all faced with everyday. Driving the car, crossing the road, asking wife to do something, eating a dodgy curry etc etc etc
Ironically when things get banned, the job still needs to happen and folk come up with even more inventive ways of spectacularly hurting themselves.
In general there needs to upskilling of folk to understand and evaluate risk. We do it in some aspects of our lives without thinking about it, but then in some aspects where you may not get a second chance it turns into a brain fart
That's why I said "so I guess some companies have decided to avoid the issue." - but if you are unable to have supervision of everyone on site, and you have no idea of the actual competence of everyone on site, and no surety that someone with no competence at all will pick up and use some tool incorrectly, I think I too would attempt to "avoid" the issue.Banning things drives me absolutely nuts. Sadly when things go wrong and folk get hurt the normal reaction is to ban things.
This isnt risk management. Its risk avoidance. We cannot avoid risk. Its something we are all faced with everyday. Driving the car, crossing the road, asking wife to do something, eating a dodgy curry etc etc etc
Ironically when things get banned, the job still needs to happen and folk come up with even more inventive ways of spectacularly hurting themselves.
In general there needs to upskilling of folk to understand and evaluate risk. We do it in some aspects of our lives without thinking about it, but then in some aspects where you may not get a second chance it turns into a brain fart
Problem is of course, world wide, "common sense" isn't that common - the best version of that was given to me by a very nice H&S safety lady in Colombia as we spotted some Colombian fabricators attempting to use thin air as a support for their operations . . .As one H&S guy once said to me, a risk assessment *should* be "common sense, written down". I.e. hierarchy of control - can you avoid doing the job? No. Can you substitute a method/tool that lowers the hazard? Well, in some cases, yes.
And knivesA while back a famous U.K. knife maker died. The blade he was grinding pinged off the belt and hit him in the chest
Makes sense to ban all knife making
Had that before, went to a depot to collect. Sign where you pull up in 3 foot high writing... Do not get out of your vehicle on this yard under any circumstances.PPE is all well and good but often they take it too far.
We have had to stop collecting bricks from one location for a regular customer as none of our depots will collect from there any more due to needing too much PPE. Whoever is on that site obviously doesn't care how much work their business is losing
You cannot legislate to prevent stupidity.....no matter what tools you ban. Ban nails and nail guns, the same idiot would put a screw through their hand.I went to the hospital with an inch long splinter in my hand, the nurse spent ages gradually working it out, must have taken about half an hour. I asked her if this was a normal day type occurrence & she said the worst ones were builders that managed to fire serrated nails through their hands. There was no way you could get them out painlessly. Apparently this was quite a common injury
Exactly, well said.Banning things drives me absolutely nuts. Sadly when things go wrong and folk get hurt the normal reaction is to ban things.
This isnt risk management. Its risk avoidance. We cannot avoid risk. Its something we are all faced with everyday. Driving the car, crossing the road, asking wife to do something, eating a dodgy curry etc etc etc
Ironically when things get banned, the job still needs to happen and folk come up with even more inventive ways of spectacularly hurting themselves.
In general there needs to upskilling of folk to understand and evaluate risk. We do it in some aspects of our lives without thinking about it, but then in some aspects where you may not get a second chance it turns into a brain fart
You cannot legislate to prevent stupidity.....no matter what tools you ban. Ban nails and nail guns, the same idiot would put a screw through their hand.
You can be unlucky. I knew a chap who hit a padlock and hasp with a sledgehammer (lost key), he's a big bloke and hit it at full swing. By some trick of physics all his energy, impacting on the hasp, fired one of the coachbolts into his eyeball, like a bullet, and it lodged in the bone at the back of his eye socket.Pin guns aren't necessarily stupidity related. Knew a chap who had a pin deflect off a knot or suchlike, & it pierced his fingertip, as he was holding the trim in position.
Blimey no words for thatYou can be unlucky. I knew a chap who hit a padlock and hasp with a sledgehammer (lost key), he's a big bloke and hit it at full swing. By some trick of physics all his energy, impacting on the hasp, fired one of the coachbolts into his eyeball, like a bullet, and it lodged in the bone at the back of his eye socket.
He told me about it in detail and I felt nauseous. He wasn't even being careless just unlucky.
You can't ban sledgehammers..eye protection might, or might not, have saved his eye. Depending on the spec of the plastic I suppose.
Just one of those things. Not good for the poor blokeYou can be unlucky. I knew a chap who hit a padlock and hasp with a sledgehammer (lost key), he's a big bloke and hit it at full swing. By some trick of physics all his energy, impacting on the hasp, fired one of the coachbolts into his eyeball, like a bullet, and it lodged in the bone at the back of his eye socket.
He told me about it in detail and I felt nauseous. He wasn't even being careless just unlucky.
You can't ban sledgehammers..eye protection might, or might not, have saved his eye. Depending on the spec of the plastic I suppose.