Gas Price

[ajlelectronics]

But why? We always get people making broad statements but it makes no sense that a not for profit nationalised company is not better than a greedy money grabbing private company as Shell are proving in real life.

It's like communism (small c deliberate). It's a great idea on paper, but it never works in the real world.

With a monopoly, they are free to call the shots. They can charge what they like, give as poor a service as they like and give "jobs to the boys", whilst sticking two fingers up at anyone who complains. After all, what are customers going to do about it?

A nationalised company is worse because a private monopoly needs to stay in business and so they have to at least pay lip service to offering what the customer wants, else demand will wane; a nationalised business doesn't need to care either way. The nationalised company is then also at the behest of whatever political flavour is current, so very dangerous in my view.
Another point is that if a business isn't intended to produce a profit, then it will make a big loss.

Now coming to the railways; this is where it all gets a bit interesting. Clearly the hotch potch of different operators has been a recipe for disaster, but then so would a new "British Rail" for the reasons outlined above. I have no answers.

 

[gaz1]

This, for nearly the first time ever I think I agree with you.
What's the answer then?

six companies operating the electricity distribution network are paying their shareholders vast profits while adding pressure to household bills.

so

6 companies running in a renationalised network should produce the same amount of money

6 companies to pay for regriding updating the services

6 companies to share in the costs for further energy supplys instead of paying shareholders

water is the same


gas and oil we are going to run out of then we wont have enough to grease parts

 

[Cato]

OK everyone. I don't wish to engage in pages and pages of discussion about the rights and wrongs, But,

That went well then. Nice try though.

 

[bourbon]

That went well then. Nice try though.

can't say I was surprised. But some valid points raised

 

[ukracer]

It's like communism (small c deliberate). It's a great idea on paper, but it never works in the real world.

With a monopoly, they are free to call the shots. They can charge what they like, give as poor a service as they like and give "jobs to the boys", whilst sticking two fingers up at anyone who complains. After all, what are customers going to do about it?

A nationalised company is worse because a private monopoly needs to stay in business and so they have to at least pay lip service to offering what the customer wants, else demand will wane; a nationalised business doesn't need to care either way. The nationalised company is then also at the behest of whatever political flavour is current, so very dangerous in my view.
Another point is that if a business isn't intended to produce a profit, then it will make a big loss.

Now coming to the railways; this is where it all gets a bit interesting. Clearly the hotch potch of different operators has been a recipe for disaster, but then so would a new "British Rail" for the reasons outlined above. I have no answers.

Now I have the opposite example.

Take Static caravan sites. A more crooked bunch of robbing rogues you could not wish to come across.

Their business model is to provide the highest priced caravan for people to buy. Force them into selling them back to them and then resell them onto unsuspecting customers who simply can not believe these sites can stoop so low. Once hooked , rather like a small carp on line 10 times as heavy as the fish it can swim around for a while getting exhausted. BUT it will be caught either eaten or put back in to get bigger and caught again.

BUT as its lots of little private businesses now being taken over by short term greed by larger monopolies its a totally unregulated private industry.

 

[ukracer]

Maybe we should start a gas union and bulk buy, i think it may come down to buying some extreme weather clothing for around the house
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Its not Gas price thats causing my bill to rise so much its the electric. So much so I am going to fit the thermostatic shower I have been meaning to do for ages now.

 

[bricol]

The way it's going, farts will soon be valuable commodities, to be nurtured, bottled

Errr . . .

A TikToker Made $200,000 Farting In Jars. Here's How She Did It

'90-Day Fiancé' star Stephanie Matto was so committed to farting she sent herself to the ER — but a pivot to NFTs takes the pressure off.

www.rollingstone.com

 

[Blobber]

Errr . . .

A TikToker Made $200,000 Farting In Jars. Here's How She Did It

'90-Day Fiancé' star Stephanie Matto was so committed to farting she sent herself to the ER — but a pivot to NFTs takes the pressure off.

www.rollingstone.com

I sometimes think you lot have got too much time on your hands!!

 

[Barking Mat]

Errr . . .

A TikToker Made $200,000 Farting In Jars. Here's How She Did It

'90-Day Fiancé' star Stephanie Matto was so committed to farting she sent herself to the ER — but a pivot to NFTs takes the pressure off.

www.rollingstone.com

Jesus...

Why did I start reading that ?

 

[ajlelectronics]

Now I have the opposite example.

Take Static caravan sites. A more crooked bunch of robbing rogues you could not wish to come across.

Agreed, but another good example of why a monopoly is such a bad idea. Maybe you think that a government monopoly would be better, but many of us have already lived that reality and don't want to go back, thank you kindly.

 

[m_c]

sssh dont tell them sweaty socks that!
the north sea was declaired finished years ago ????

You may want to brush up on your geography
The North Sea is pretty much finished for easily recoverable deposits, but the Atlantic has hardly been touched.

 

[CompoSimmonite]

Don't forget VAT at 20% is payable on energy. So if peoples bills go up by an average of the reported £700 then the government will be getting an extra £115 per household. If they want to help avoid "fuel poverty" then they should consider reducing VAT on energy even if just for a temporary period.

 

[brewdexta]

Energy VAT is 20% on business, 5% on domestic

 

[bricol]

I sometimes think you lot have got too much time on your hands!!

I saw something out of the corner of my eye about it on a work PC when looking up something sensible . . so when flogging them was mentioned here, a quick google . . .

I didn't read it - but I'm sure its something her kids will be proud of when someone mentions it at school . . .

 

[indy4x]

How did he think it was saving you money?

He just kept repeating the statement with absolutely no explanation

 

[addjunkie]

You may want to brush up on your geography
The North Sea is pretty much finished for easily recoverable deposits, but the Atlantic has hardly been touched.

Theres a reason its hardly been touched. Its cold, big waves, limited infrastructure. Once you get out past foinaven and Glenn Lyon the shelf to deepwater is very steep. As water gets deeper and colder drilling is difficult. But production espescially of wells with a high GOR is very complex as you are more often than not are in the hydrate zone at the well head. All your subsea system would also probably need some means of heating for hydrate mitigation. At those depths its physically impossible to reduce pressure enough to remove a hydrate plug with out a pump, due to the static head which would probably have catastrophic consequences when the plug lets go flying up the flow line.

Subsea separation and processing is a solution potentially, or circulating MEG, but again adds massive cost and complexity.

Also the Geology is very different west of shetland with lots of fragmented pockets of oil bearing sands, where as the north-sea isnt so. They are much larger aquifier type reservoirs, also not as deep below the sea bed.

Now methane hydrate is plentiful in some areas GOM. Apparently there is more energy in 1 sq kilometer than the whole of the GOM oil and gas. But again technology and cost to produce it are prohibitive.

You want all electric no emissions. Nuclear is the solution. Though not popular it works.