Fuel prices

[snowcat]

Malcolm, food prices are not at least for this season due to speculation, It is due to a genuine shortage from a serious of events , Wheat prices went up firstly due to a drought from so called Eastern bloc countries (Russia, Ukraine, Poland etc) which consequently baned exports (the Eastern bloc being the china of the food world)... Australia, and USA then announced that there yields were down, just as Russia announced the double whammy that because of the extreme conditions large areas would not be planted for the coming season, Europe then got twitchy and as sterling is week to the Euro they imported a helluva allot of our crop, merchants then realized they may have oversold and the millers then got twitchy in the UK, Then just to add fuel to fire Ireland's Economy collapsed and they exported everything to the highest bidder (IE Europe) leaving the shelfs here Barron for things like beef in the UK, To boot all the inputs to produce, Fertilizers, fuel machinery have also been spiraling out of control upwards..

God had more of a hand in this lot than the speculators TBH...

Incidentally as a commodity the supermarkets are paying about 12ppl for milk and the ingredients for a loaf of bread equate to less than 12p, the rise in wheat has added only about 4p onto that.... that would be a rant tho, and I wouldn't go there

 

[Drains]

12p for the ingredients for a loaf of bread...
Just back from NZ, where a loaf of bread is over $4!
Thats £2 to you and I. God knows what's going on there...

 

[CTB]

I can't rant on here because I don't want to encourage others to rant. They'll hold it against me when I try to discourage rants that alienate other members. Stupid thing for me to do, and I hope other moderators will delete my posts if they cause trouble.

Malcolm your rant is right on the money. More money is being made by people who speculate in commodities than by the actual people who produce them.

These pinstriped ******** have had it their way long enough. It IS speculators who raise the price of oil. The supply of oil worldwide is (from what I can gather)
keeping pace with demand. It is speculation as to what may happen in the future that has been the bane of stock markets and has ruined the world economy.

 

[pete23]

my every day car is a 1990, 90, lr with a 200tdi in it.

for the last few month ive been running it on diesel from the garage and mixing new (clean) veg oil in at a 60/40 mix, 40% being the oil.
waiting for the warmer weather to get here so i can do a 60/40 mix the other way.
a friend is getting me the oil from the cash and carry at 86p per ltr.

anyone ever tried to get the dye out of red diesel???
ive just bought 1000ltr off a farmer for £200 to use on my narrow boat and workshop heating.
if only i could get the dye out of it!!!!

 

[snowcat]

1000lts for £200???? that 20ppl, it hasn't been that for 10years????, lowest price on cherry for the last 24 months is 52ppl its now hgh 60s low 70s.... RSO is also pushing the £1000/ton mark £1ppl.... so if its 86ppl it wont be for much longer.

taking the dye, or attempting it is illegal.....

 

[Drains]

Pete, how often do the Excise check boats? I know it's a new thing for pleasure craft to pay full duty on fuel. You can use red in work boats though. Where's your "office"?

Re red dye - I heard there was a trick with fullers earth that used to go on in Northern Ireland, but you'll have to find some ex-IRA gangster type to talk to if you want the details.

 

[pete23]

thought it were illegal, so should be the prices we are getting charged for it!!!

i got it off a farmer friend i know as it has a bit of ****e in it, and he wont run his tractors on it as it would cost him roughly 5/6k to get the ip sorted if it get ****e in it.
but it will be fine to run my boat engine on and my workshop heating

 

[Welderpaul]

Can't you dye cherry another colour..Blue dye?

 

[pete23]

Pete, how often do the Excise check boats? I know it's a new thing for pleasure craft to pay full duty on fuel. You can use red in work boats though. Where's your "office"?

excise check narrowboats?? never herd of that.
every marina on the system sells red diesel, and the dearest marina around here is selling it for £1 pltr.

my office????

 

[pidgeon chit welder]

Pete, how often do the Excise check boats? I know it's a new thing for pleasure craft to pay full duty on fuel. You can use red in work boats though. Where's your "office"?

Re red dye - I heard there was a trick with fullers earth that used to go on in Northern Ireland, but you'll have to find some ex-IRA gangster type to talk to if you want the details.

It's still traceable with just Fullers Earth
To experiment get some cat litter and filter half a pint through several clean dry filters of it then do a portable spectro gram analysis on it & get the result in seconds .

Apparently " The Boyo's " over the water were using alsorts inc sulphuric acid etc and it was still detectable .

I think the only way is to evaporate it under vacuum and recondense under normal atmospheric pressure .

 

[tigler]

As I mentioned earlier, petrol in Saudi is $0.86 per GALLON !! That says it all about the speculators and governments !! Our own government is far from keen to reduce fuel tax, the major cost on the fuel we buy, because that windfall is helping them to get out of a hole ! Problem is in this country everyone sits back and pays it ! Thin end of the wedge people, if they get away with £1.40/ltr today they know they can get away with £2, then £3 then £4 tomorrow. As has been also noted, it's an inflationary spiral, the price of almost everything is dependant on oil, we will all be lucky not to be starving and cold in a few years at this rate !

 

[lazydog]

hi Pete
how about this for a solution
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/07/how-to-save-fuel-wood-power-truck.php

quite a few videos on Youtube as well needs a bit of refining but i reckon its got possibilities

 

[Drains]

Pete, looks like your various marinas know an unenforcible law with a zillion loopholes when they see one.

http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channels...nt&id=HMCE_PROD1_029598&propertyType=document

 

[pete23]

we used to be able to buy red off the marina will nilly, but now you have to state if its for heating or propulsion, think you have to pay a bit more for propulsion.
but as i have diesel heating on board when i buy any i say its for that.
but i buy fuel off farmers as its cheaper.

its all stupid really, as no one can prove how long you have the heating on for, or how many miles you do boating, so all a bit piontless.

 

[pete23]

hi Pete
how about this for a solution
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/07/how-to-save-fuel-wood-power-truck.php

quite a few videos on Youtube as well needs a bit of refining but i reckon its got possibilities

evening mate.
will have to look at that another time, as ive got bad comp probs at the min!!

 

[Justme]

Funny how things change. About a year ago I was cringing when paying £1 per L. Yet yesterday I felt happy whilst on my travels to find a station selling petrol at £1.30.9 & filled up whilst smiling cos my local price is £1.36.9


What does bother me is that I use a fair bit of petrol not in the car on for road use but still have to pay "road" prices. Why cant we have "red" petrol too?

 

[Scamp]

I read in the news the day of the Japan earthquake that the price of crude had plummeted to $100 a barrel. That would clearly explain why the tankers are sat off the south coast.

Onto another subject on this thread - Marine diesel. It does now carry an excise duty on it, but how you can check if it has been bought from the marina or from as friendly farmer is beyond me. My cousin has his own business and used to buy his red DERV from the local marina for his tractor - he now can't do it because the regulations make it too complicated for them.

As for the price that we are having to pay at the pumps - I see it has not taken the last lot of robbing b*****ds to try and grab supporters by calling for the government to reduce the duty on fuel - isn't it amazing that THEY felt unable to do it when they were at the helm. Bloody hypocrites

 

[pete23]

I read in the news the day of the Japan earthquake that the price of crude had plummeted to $100 a barrel. That would clearly explain why the tankers are sat off the south coast.

Onto another subject on this thread - Marine diesel. It does now carry an excise duty on it, but how you can check if it has been bought from the marina or from as friendly farmer is beyond me. My cousin has his own business and used to buy his red DERV from the local marina for his tractor - he now can't do it because the regulations make it too complicated for them.

ive never had a prob buying red off marinas, for things other than me boat.
bought some only the other day for my workshop heater, they just wrote a ticket out saying what it was for.
and while i was there, there was a chap filling cans up for a jcb