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That's the sad truth of the matter.But they'll drive a tanker for 9 pounds an hour! :/
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That's the sad truth of the matter.But they'll drive a tanker for 9 pounds an hour! :/
You’re very lucky thenWell it is no surprise. I am astonished to find that the average wage is now north of £30k. I manage on less than HALF of that. It's no wonder thay the price of everything is going silly.
Everybody wants to pay as little as they can for as much as they can. It’s quite normal. It’s sensible economics.I agree drivers have been treated like dirt and underpaid. But why underpaid. Because people will shop around to save a few pennies. All they want is cheap cheap.
Trust me very few hauliers make big profits.
Many struggle to stay afloat. They are still going bust at an alarming rate.
But there is now a desperate shortage.
There are 2 solutions.
Either bring back drivers from Europe or put up with this mess for years until the high wages drag people back in.
Every ex HGV driver holds a valid licence.....but why jump jobs only to find wages drop when they get more trained OR the overseas drivers come back?According to the news the government is to fast track temporary work visa`s for 5000 foreign drivers,no mention of plucking 90,000 out of the 3.5million unemployed and training them to drive or encouraging the 600k hgv drivers that still hold an HGV licence but have thrown in the towel. .
Bob
Interesting my son's like that....but no UNI degree. Picks up practical things instantly.Exactly.
I did my uni time, got my engineering degree . . . and my first job after uni was litter picking, veering into dish washing, loo cleaning, shop till operation when there really was no-one else available. Mates with the same degree - they were too good for such jobs.
Willingness to work meant in 18mths went from litter picking to shift manager in a very busy motorway forecourt, to trainee manager in the restaurant - and then I left to start as a junior design engineer . . . willingness to do anything from design to making parts, building machines, installing, commisioning, fixing, anything and everything meant I survived staff reductions.
In current position with big multinational, the same attitude - gimme it, I'll do it . I was stunned when one of the guys working for me some years ago, a bloke I have the greatest respect for his real world engineering, diagnosis, fixing skills, on asking him to do something I would have done without a thought, said ". . . not my job . . ." . . . a simple phone call to arrange equipment needed to do his work. Luckily, as his boss, I was able to make it "his job"
I see it all over - "not my job" . . . or below their "skill" level . . .
Whereas our pattern maker, while occasionally a bit of an **** - I asked him once when I saw him cleaning factory gutters from our cherry picker if it annoyed him - nope, paid him the same to clean gutters as to make patterns,for which there was no demand at that time, so he was still working, still earning.
It's not that skilled my old man did it for 10 years without qualifications.To drive a fuel tanker rather than a lorry full of baked beans or a tanker of milk theres a few more qualifactions:
https://www.pdpassport.com/pdpassport/Files/petroleum-fuel-tanker-driver-standard.pdf
My neighbours son is getting about 60k - tell me it's not a skilled job.
I have an exit plan in hand as we gained a new level in the management structure above . . . just-in-case. At the moment, working from home means I can ignore irratants - but in the office I might find it rather more difficult.Interesting my son's like that....but no UNI degree. Picks up practical things instantly.
Sad thing is an operations manager was brought in just 3 years older than him and he hates the fact my son keeps telling him how it is and how and why his "methods" are wasting not only time but money as well.
Now he is trying to Bully him out.....stupid thing is all my son is doing now is documenting EVERYTHING he does and is told to do...OR not do . Doing it in works time as well...in case of a constructive dismissal claim.
I don't know about queueing I would give one look at that and give it a wide berth.No queue`s at our pump
The billionaire owned newspapers causing fuel runs is kind of suspiciousDue to the stupid local rag the filling station I used last night us now closed with no fuel, they just publish scaremongering stories which in turn causes problems
That sounds great for moral. Just to really make you feel valued.One ship I worked on had a carved plaque in the wheelhouse, that said:
Swire Pacific Offshore exists purely for the benefit of the shareholders. No other reason.
I worked for a rather large motorcycle manufacturer few years ago when they spent £50k analysing the worth of ALL employees with the aim of aligning the wages with the actual job/ position. I was seconded to the group of muppetts that were supposed to finalise the results. At the initial meeting I made the comment to the boss that it was all a waste of money as they will still pay as little as required and the employee will move to a better paid job as soon as possible .I tried to explain the theory of " supply and demand" After about 3 months of investigation it was all quietly forgotten.Everybody wants to pay as little as they can for as much as they can. It’s quite normal. It’s sensible economics.
Employers are exactly the same, they pay as little they can get away with, not what employees think they are actually worth.
One ship I worked on had a carved plaque in the wheelhouse, that said:
Swire Pacific Offshore exists purely for the benefit of the shareholders. No other reason.
That was just so we employees didn’t get ideas above our station, I guess.
I would bet that your 2 equivalent " and his mates have all got degree's but not too much common sense or experience.I have an exit plan in hand as we gained a new level in the management structure above . . . just-in-case. At the moment, working from home means I can ignore irratants - but in the office I might find it rather more difficult.
First thing I do on new projects, go talk to the people making and using them - and work from there. I'm currently correcting some issues with an important project where my equivalent on it failed to do so, made some assumptions of his own, agreed with by that new level of managers and . . .
People panic buying won't use more, they'll just fill up less often.And the selfish Muppets are still panic buying!
All because one company, BP is short of drivers.
Starring to think the Govt and media have created this. Govt gets some well needed revenue. And the public get brainwashed into thinking we need cheap European drivers again.
If there was a genuine shortage of anything they'd get the Army in to drive the lorries.
Not just local rags MSM also has a big part to play in itDue to the stupid local rag the filling station I used last night us now closed with no fuel, they just publish scaremongering stories which in turn causes problems