First MIG for car restoration

[Trevorleach]

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[addjunkie]

Youll get roughly 150 amps from a 13 amp plug, even if what you buyrequires a 16amp supply, thats only if your going to use it full tilt. My brother uses a fly lead to use my old 16amp machine with 16 amp plug from a 13 amp socket

 

[Wursle]

Youll get roughly 150 amps from a 13 amp plug, even if what you buyrequires a 16amp supply, thats only if your going to use it full tilt. My brother uses a fly lead to use my old 16amp machine with 16 amp plug from a 13 amp socket

What sort of thickness’ would that stick together? I’m only doing classic car body work for now

 

[addjunkie]

Roughly 30 amps per mil. So 150 amps would do 5 mil at a push, for a car 30 or 40 amps will be fine

 

[gaz1]

can i ask why you want a multi weld machine if it has that many uses its going to be cheap unless you pay enough for it it wont be good enough

sips on here dont get a good review on them as many machines needed adapting to make them better

we also have a welder supplier at the top of the page

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[Wursle]

can i ask why you want a multi weld machine if it has that many uses its going to be cheap unless you pay enough for it it wont be good enough

sips on here dont get a good review on them as many machines needed adapting to make them better

we also have a welder supplier at the top of the page

MIG Welders & MIG Welding Machines | Welding Supplies Direct

Welding Supplies Direct sells a wide range of MIG welders from top industry brands. We have the best prices and customer service online. See our deals here!

www.weldingsuppliesdirect.co.uk

I don’t really want a multi machine it just seems to be a lot of the inverter welders come as a multi function the reason for the inverter is it looks to be where the technology is going and setup is easier / more beginner friendly

 

[Wursle]

Roughly 30 amps per mil. So 150 amps would do 5 mil at a push, for a car 30 or 40 amps will be fine

Spot on, will save this to my notes for reference

 

[addjunkie]

Our forum supporters sells these and I believe theres a 10% discount….

Paton StandardMIG 160 MIG Welder - 230V

Key Features 5MM maximum weld thickness on mild steel Perfect on thin material <1MM Pulse TIG & MMA Made in Europe Supported Welding Processes GMAW (MIG/MAG): Gas metal arc welding using a consumable electrode in a shielding gas atmosphere FCAW-S: Self-shielded flux-cored arc...

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Id suggest upgrading to the 4 m torch, but each to their own.

 

[GRW]

Digital display didn't do much for me when I had one tbh - rather the zillions of combinations and setpoints actually confused me & I could get lost.
As a novice the 6 voltage/power settings & the Wire feed on my Oxford is easier to get set up.
What's helped me no end is simply time with torch in hand, do you can get a feel for what tweaks to make to power & wire speed to make

 

[Wursle]

I really recommend the Kemppi minarcmig Evo 200. One just sold on eBay for £400. Think I paid £300 for mine. Worth keeping an eye out for a few days see if one comes up, or have a look on the usual sites. How soon do you need a welder?

I am not in an immediate rush as I still need to remove the engine from the E30. I can wait around for the right welder but like it in time for summer so I can make the most of the long evenings

 

[Wozzaaah]

sips on here dont get a good review on them as many machines needed adapting to make them better

Not all SIPs are rubbish, it's just the very low-end ones that sometimes need fettling.
The one he linked to looks to have a decent wire feed unit and SIP are a big company so product support ought to be good.

 

[Wursle]

Our forum supporters sells these and I believe theres a 10% discount….

Paton StandardMIG 160 MIG Welder - 230V

Key Features 5MM maximum weld thickness on mild steel Perfect on thin material <1MM Pulse TIG & MMA Made in Europe Supported Welding Processes GMAW (MIG/MAG): Gas metal arc welding using a consumable electrode in a shielding gas atmosphere FCAW-S: Self-shielded flux-cored arc...

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Id suggest upgrading to the 4 m torch, but each to their own.

Pulsed looks really good for thin stuff! Are Paton a well regarded brand? I’ve not heard of them before but will do some research.

How do we get the 10% discount?

 

[addjunkie]

Pulsed looks really good for thin stuff! Are Paton a well regarded brand? I’ve not heard of them before but will do some research.

How do we get the 10% discount?

https://www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum/threads/new-mig-advice-needed.123207/#post-2104960 in this thread, but deals change all the time @Tom Orrow L is the man to ask.

There is also a small cash back available on your first SGS bottle of gas, through this forum too

Ive never used one but the reviews are good and 5 year warrenty!

Sips, draper, new clarkes etc are just generic far east stuff…..most better stuff will be brands your not familiar with, as its all new to you.

 

[Wursle]

https://www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum/threads/new-mig-advice-needed.123207/#post-2104960 in this thread, but deals change all the time @Tom Orrow L is the man to ask.

There is also a small cash back available on your first SGS bottle of gas, through this forum too

Ive never used one but the reviews are good and 5 year warrenty!

Sips, draper, new clarkes etc are just generic far east stuff…..most better stuff will be brands you’re not familiar with, as it’s all new to you.

Really appreciate your help on this one and thank you for the forum link, I haven’t used forums for ages and trying to get back in the swing of it all

Some really good reviews on those patons! Seems like the Oxford is also a well liked unit, I see people mentioning the Lincoln Bester but no saying good/bad or indifferent

 

[tom2207]

Really appreciate your help on this one and thank you for the forum link, I haven’t used forums for ages and trying to get back in the swing of it all

Some really good reviews on those patons! Seems like the Oxford is also a well liked unit, I see people mentioning the Lincoln Bester but no saying good/bad or indifferent

the oxford I use has lived in a damp barn for a couple of years ,,, when Ive finished i put a squirt of acf on the wire till next time and off it goes ,,,, I dont know if an inverter machine would hack those conditions ,, nope no digital display , but then it wont go wrong either ,,, if your not using it all day every day low tech is grand , it takes a few seconds to tweak a machine your eyes and ears will tell you whats working.

 

[AVI_8]

Pulsed looks really good for thin stuff! Are Paton a well regarded brand? I’ve not heard of them before but will do some research.

How do we get the 10% discount?

I have one of these though the 200 model, It’s a very well built machine and I’m happy with it.
Bear in mind though I’m no expert in welding thin metal as in car bodywork, (lots of practice in progress) patching new metal into car bodywork involves lots of spot welds which eventually join together to make one continuous seam trying carefully to avoid heat distortion, when I was researching welding machines I was focussed on welders which can put out the lowest amps for thin metal which is probably partially irrelevant if doing the above process as opposed to running a continuous seam which would put a lot of heat into the panel. You want a good quality welder with gas, I’m not renting the bottle, I went with hobbyweld whereby you pay a returnable deposit which is good for me as an occasional hobbyist.

 

[Dessieb2022]

the oxford I use has lived in a damp barn for a couple of years ,,, when Ive finished i put a squirt of acf on the wire till next time and off it goes ,,,, I dont know if an inverter machine would hack those conditions ,, nope no digital display , but then it wont go wrong either ,,, if your not using it all day every day low tech is grand , it takes a few seconds to tweak a machine your eyes and ears will tell you whats working.

I was paranoid over winter and took my inverter blackline mig into the house incase condensation ******** it up. My workshop is a shipping container so there is a good chance of condensation in it.

 

[AVI_8]

I was paranoid over winter and took my inverter blackline mig into the house incase condensation ******** it up. My workshop is a shipping container so there is a good chance of condensation in it.

During last winter I wasn’t using mine much, I put a plastic tarp over the welding trolley with a couple of these beside the welder, everything was good and no rust on the wire spool, surprising just how much water these take from the air, they’re only 99p so why not for peace of mind.

 

[Dessieb2022]

During last winter I wasn’t using mine much, I put a plastic tarp over the welding trolley with a couple of these beside the welder, everything was good and no rust on the wire spool, surprising just how much water these take from the air, they’re only 99p so why not for peace of mind.

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I will have to invest for next winter lol

 

[AVI_8]

Really appreciate your help on this one and thank you for the forum link, I haven’t used forums for ages and trying to get back in the swing of it all

Some really good reviews on those patons! Seems like the Oxford is also a well liked unit, I see people mentioning the Lincoln Bester but no saying good/bad or indifferent

The Oxford and Lincoln Bester were on my short list along with the Paton, I went for the Paton because it had the ability of lift tig and pulse tig and mig neither of which I’ve tried yet, and the fact that I’d read several posts on this forum from people who had bought one.