ENGLAND 2 GERMANY 1

[Bullet2012]

 

[pawsnizzy]

To be frank I did wonder if the Germans had brought their own ref anyway.

They're still moaning abount the 3 times in the 20th century that they lost to us - Perfidious Albion probably cheated in all of those

 

[Shedendman]

I dont watch F1,but i'll make a comment about it,it's KRAP

 

[JEZGUZ]

Didn't watch it (no telly) but I've seen some bits of their games on YouTube, they seem to give more effort than the bunch of delicate whingers that's supposed to be the men's team.

 

[marlinspike]

Didn't watch it as we were out but what a great achievement. There is a huge problem with girls dropping out of sport once they get to secondary school and I'm sure this success will be an inspiration to lots of girls and young women.

 

[Joe 90]

There's no reason I can think of why womens football shouldn't be as good as the mens. Except of course in power, stamina and fitness levels but who wants to watch that.

Fact is though at the moment it is nowhere near the level of mens professional football. The womens England side would get thrashed by a third rate third division mens team. I am prepared to believe some of those women could play for a professional league mens team and I find it curious that they don't. Is there a law against women even applying to play for a professional mens team??

The usa womens team is the highest ranked and when they played fc dallas boys under 15s they got thrashed. The 2 aren't even comparable.
They blame men for not equal pay but if women won't support women and buy the tickets then its going nowhere.
I think a lot watched it coz their was nothing else on. Others watched it after the naked pictures was sent around.
Now their getting paid the same regardless of how poor they are, the next problem now will be if your really a women or not.
Then we'll get the transgender league and they'll need paid the same and then the old boys league.

 

[Domdom]

There's no reason I can think of why womens football shouldn't be as good as the mens. Except of course in power, stamina and fitness levels but who wants to watch that.

I’ve said to quite a few (men) who commented on this, whether positively or negatively, the simple fact stands that the Ladies brought back silverware which the men have failed to do since 1966.

 

[Screwdriver]

I’ve said to quite a few (men) who commented on this, whether positively or negatively, the simple fact stands that the Ladies brought back silverware which the men have failed to do since 1966.

Yeah and I I got a blue ribbon for swimming, I bet none of the so called professional mens team can say that!

 

[zeppelin builder]

aw naw not again , you would think they had won ww2 again

 

[MysterG]

I watched it, and to my eyes there seemed to be nearly as much diving, talk of 'winning' free kicks, and then the passing back to the goalie started in the second half.
They did well, congrats to them, but as far as I can see they are intent on emulating the mens game in all respects including the bad ones.

Also on the radio this morning talk of new women only football academies being set up on the back of this. Surely if we have a team that is this good whatever training there is currently in place must be pretty good already??

 

[atomant48]

Also on the radio this morning talk of new women only football academies being set up on the back of this. Surely if we have a team that is this good whatever training there is currently in place must be pretty good already??

I can see the need for this. All 3 of my kids went through a local franchise for a few years (mixed) and then the 2 boys graduated to a local club. My daughter was very hesitant though until we found an all girls team - where she’s thriving. I see your point about it must be working but I guess we’re lucky with the talent in that squad. Maybe girl only establishments will encourage even more and increase our talent pool or at least get more folk out running around which must be a good thing !

 

[marlinspike]

Girls who persist with sport into their teens are the exception not the rule. Many girls drop out as it's not seen as cool or ladylike or whatever. Even at primary level I've seen that girls tend to shy away from team games where they play with boys - simply because girls are socialised to hold back and not get stuck in, be aggressive, or be competitive. Boys aren't. Girls often do better in all female environments, whether it's sports or education.

The downside of having girls only academies etc is that they will be fewer and further apart so many kids won't be able to travel to them, whereas the mixed sex club might be more local. Anything that gets more girls into sport would be great though.

I don't think anyone is pretending that the women's game will ever be as fast or as overtly physical as the men's, but for me one of the great things is that the tournament showed that it's OK for girls to be ultra competive, and they don't have to shy away from sports that are aggressively physical.

 

[Wozzaaah]

Girls who persist with sport into their teens are the exception not the rule. Many girls drop out as it's not seen as cool or ladylike or whatever. Even at primary level I've seen that girls tend to shy away from team games where they play with boys - simply because girls are socialised to hold back and not get stuck in, be aggressive, or be competitive. Boys aren't. Girls often do better in all female environments, whether it's sports or education.

The downside of having girls only academies etc is that they will be fewer and further apart so many kids won't be able to travel to them, whereas the mixed sex club might be more local. Anything that gets more girls into sport would be great though.

I don't think anyone is pretending that the women's game will ever be as fast or as overtly physical as the men's, but for me one of the great things is that the tournament showed that it's OK for girls to be ultra competive, and they don't have to shy away from sports that are aggressively physical.

Well put.
The comment a few posts back about why women don't compete in professional men's teams...... it's because there will always be a better choice of a male player available. No team in their right mind would choose a female player "just because". They want the best available to them as their aim is to win, not get a prize for being inclusive.
I for one think it's fantastic that the ladies game is being taken more seriously, it's about time!
As for their being "very little actual skill on display".... Really?!

 

[The_Yellow_Ardvark]

 

[Greeves246]

Well put.
The comment a few posts back about why women don't compete in professional men's teams...... it's because there will always be a better choice of a male player available. No team in their right mind would choose a female player "just because". They want the best available to them as their aim is to win, not get a prize for being inclusive.
I for one think it's fantastic that the ladies game is being taken more seriously, it's about time!
As for their being "very little actual skill on display".... Really?!

Perhaps the equality card should be played and require all league teams to have 5 female players or have one goal handicap for each non female player?

 

[marlinspike]

I think it's better just to accept that women's sports is it's own thing. It deserves an audience in it's own right, not as a poor relation to the men's game. Professional football has been a male preserve for a very long time and the money involved is astronomical; it's hugely dominant, so it's hard to see women's football reaching that level, but hopefully we'll see more interest, sponsorship etc.

This is a great website about exceptional women in sport:

Lessons In Badassery - Badass women in sport, fitness and adventure

Badass women in sport, fitness and adventure

lessonsinbadassery.com

I think it's fair to say that most sports developed as showcases for what male bodies could do - so they favour strength and speed - and are not about what female bodies are good at, like flexibility, coordination, and endurance. So it's a bit pointless comparing male and female sports. The women's game isn't lesser, it's just different.

(And this is exactly why we need to preserve the sex categories in sport, rather than letting males who identify as women into the female sex class. Good to see the RFU, Cycling, Triathlon etc finally getting their act together on this...... whilst Fifa look to be allowing self id).

 

[Screwdriver]

I think it's better just to accept that women's sports is it's own thing. It deserves an audience in it's own right, not as a poor relation to the men's game. Professional football has been a male preserve for a very long time and the money involved is astronomical; it's hugely dominant, so it's hard to see women's football reaching that level, but hopefully we'll see more interest, sponsorship etc.

This is a great website about exceptional women in sport:

Lessons In Badassery - Badass women in sport, fitness and adventure

Badass women in sport, fitness and adventure

lessonsinbadassery.com

I think it's fair to say that most sports developed as showcases for what male bodies could do - so they favour strength and speed - and are not about what female bodies are good at, like flexibility, coordination, and endurance. So it's a bit pointless comparing male and female sports. The women's game isn't lesser, it's just different.

(And this is exactly why we need to preserve the sex categories in sport, rather than letting males who identify as women into the female sex class. Good to see the RFU, Cycling, Triathlon etc finally getting their act together on this...... whilst Fifa look to be allowing self id).

I think that is exactly correct. Same rules, different game.

 

[marlinspike]

Another example that springs to mind is the Women's 100m record. It's beaten by approximately 1,500 men and boys every year, but to me that doesn't detract from the fact that women who are able to achieve those speeds are phenomenal athletes. It's about being outstanding within the limits of your category (whether that's age, weight, or sex).

 

[Joe 90]

It still gets complicated. Some women are banned in athletic sports because their natural testosterone is too high. Especially south Africans. So the more testosterone and manly you are as a female athlete the more advantage you have which is why a lot of top female athletes look like men. So the less female you are the better you are at female sport.
When female sport gets more popular and brings in more revenue then their wages will increase. But to throw out the equality card every time that they should get paid the same as men just because they are women and not because of how good they are and if anyone wants to watch it. The under 15 boys who can beat them then should also get paid the same as they are being discrimated against due to age, then the lower tier men who are far better than the women but get paid very little are being discriminated against.
It never ends.
I have no problem with womens sports. I pay to watch women boxing and if others pay to watch them they'll get well paid. The problem is sport is predominantly watched and paid for by men. If women would rather watch chick fliks than sport then they are fighting an up hill battle.

 

[marlinspike]

Those 'women' banned for high testosterone are actually males with a dsd (disorder of sexual development), also known as intersex. They were born with ambiguous genitalia, mistakenly thought to be female and raised as girls. The reason they are all African is that their condition would have been identified at birth in the West, or by puberty at the latest.

Caster Semenya is the most famous dsd athlete, though all 3 winners at the 800m Women's Rio Olympics were biologically male with intersex conditions. The new IOC rules on limiting testosterone are a mess and outstanding women will continue to be displaced by mediocre male-born athletes if they aren't banned altogether.

I have some sympathy for the dsd athletes as it's a medical condition, but they are biologically male and competing in the female class is unfair.