electric chain hoists?

  1. brewdexta

    brewdexta Forum Supporter

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    I'm looking for a second hand chain winch, about 1000kg. My barn/workshop is built into a hillside, the workshop is above the barn. There is access to the workshop at one end, but its narrow and there's 5 steps to climb, so not ideal for heavy items.

    I have a hatch in the workshop floor, about 1.1m square into the barn below. Above the hatch there is beam with two beam trolleys on it, a 1 tonne and a 2 tonne. I have manual chain winches on both with similar SWL respectively. I usually use the small winch to lift the plate in the floor and the bigger one for the lift.

    Most of the stuff I lift is between 200 and 600kg, occasionally a tad more. The lift height in total is about 6m from barn floor to base of the winch. I probably use the winch in the workshop about 20 times a year to move within the workshop, and through the hatch 10 times, but the frequency may increase a bit once if I cease to be a wage slave.

    Problems I have are that manual chain hoist's chain gets in the way and damages freshly painted stuff. Both spare lifting chain and the operating chain. I believe the lifting chains fits in the bag so avoids this issue? There is also the convenience side of it, less effort, chain not catching/jamming etc.

    There's a few second hand chain hoists locally, usually 110v. I have a transformer somewhere, and 3 phase. I've never had any dealings with electric winches of any type so not sure what is good or bad and approx cost.

    Anybody got any experience of these?

    Cheers
    Andy
     
  2. gaz1

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    you also have to take into account of wear and tear of the wire cable unlike a chain that wears very slowly a wire can become brittle or snap

    id have said look at a van winch or landrover winch easy controled and also comes with both a remote and a handheld device
     
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  3. brewdexta

    brewdexta Forum Supporter

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    I defo want a chain not a cable hoist. Forum members with experience of chain hoists please. I would trust a cable to pull a truck out of a muddy field but I would be reticent to dangle a few hundred kilos of machinery that I had just spent 6 months renovating on one :)

    My dad used to work at British Ropes where they would spin big cables and provide wire for suspension bridges. He worked in an area where they would temper the wire after drawing it by dragging it through huge vats of molten lead. They used to sprinkle bags of powdered asbestos on top of the lead to keep the heat in! They gave him a pint of milk a day to counteract the lead, they didn't know much about asbestos those days.

    My reticents to use chain not cable his based purely on preference, I feel better with it.
     
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  4. ronan

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    Where i served my time we used to lift large rollers with a forklift onto stands for welding. There was a couple of near misses accident-wise so we requested proper chain hoists. I remember they were rated at 1,000 kg, but i never had any confidence in them as they seemed to make heavy weather of lifting anything over about 300 kgs.

    I go for the biggest you can power from your leccy supply Brewdexta.
     
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  5. metalmelt Member

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    You can get chain hoists as electric or compressed air, generally the air blocks are slower and more precise, and the electrics are slightly faster and less precise; so it you are lifting up a floor precision isn't rally an issue.

    Lift height is often a problem and this is with the quantity of chain your bag will hold, you will either have a large storage bag or limited lifting height. In your part of the world there are several dealers offering industrial (3 phase) chain hoists and while these are generally in the 1-3 tonne range they actually work out cheaper secondhand than many single phase units and many have been checked and/or repaired by a professional so it may be worth looking at these dealers for a tested and guaranteed secondhand unit with some warranty and peace of mind; with comeback if anything isn't right.

    Ropes for towing trucks have been frowned on for many years now as its all towing or snatch straps, if a rope breaks you have someone decapitated or a lot of heavy metal flying through a cab windscreen and having seen this, it ain't pretty.
     
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  6. James1979 Member

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    I have a chain hoist. It’s 250 kg and is three phase. I used to use it a lot in the old place but I’m three phase less here and miss it. It’s pretty much as described above although mine has a soft touch or whatever they call it so the harder you press the buttons the faster it goes.

    as I’m on my own a lot it was damn handy. As you only need to push at button you’ve a spare hand for pulling pushing the load. It’s a fair size / weight so I’m not sure how big a 1t one would be is my only thoughts on it.

    Used air a lot in industry and at sea. Very common in Germany. Would prefer one of them but they like rocking horse manure secondhand
     
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  7. zzr1200

    zzr1200 Working at 650 ft on open steel work

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    1000kg 110v hoist in Blackburn on the Bay of Fleas, item no. 1 day left to run

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  8. jimbo84 Forum Supporter

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    Try and get one direct from an events hire place selling off old stock although they don't sell them off often as they're a use till no longer fixable item. Usually double braked and will have been checked and maintained well and not been overloaded.

    I've been out of the rigging game for some time now but it was CM Loadstars that were common place.
     
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  9. brewdexta

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    I'm watching that one already :)
     
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  10. zzr1200

    zzr1200 Working at 650 ft on open steel work

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    :thumbup:
     
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  11. zzr1200

    zzr1200 Working at 650 ft on open steel work

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    2T air powered, 21ft lift, new

    On the Bay of Fleas


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  12. brewdexta

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    I ended up putting in an offer for the 1 tonne electric chain hoist from Blackburn. My Disco is in the garage so used the wife's Leaf to pick it up. We go it in the boot ok but I will need a winch to get the winch out :)
     
  13. Migmac

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    We use a chain hoist in our larder. Been there over twenty years and still going strong. The only thing that I know to have been replaced was the control box, the rubbers round the switches perished. It’ll reach 6m easily. Not sure what it can lift.
     
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  14. brewdexta

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    Its a big thing, I had to get the thing on to the beam trolley on the right, replacing the 2 tonne winch, so winched it up with the one tonne winch on the left, then had a think Note the g-clamp at the end of the beam to stop the beam trolleys from rolling off. One did once, frightened the crap out of me, and I've been meaning to replace the clamp with a proper stop for a while.

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    Just as I was scratching my head and thinking whether the engine hoist would get that high, and if it did how would transfer it safely to the beam trolley when two of my neighbours dropped by. One had brought something he had machined at work for me, and the other wanted some home brew. So I roped them in and we ended up raising a steel platform I have for clamps on a series of large block like Jenga using a pallet truck. It sounds worse than it was but H&S would have had kittens.

    Here it is, although a big lump I don't lose any hoisting height over the 1 tonne winch and its slightly better than the 2 tonne winch it replaced. Note the proper stop on the beam now, two big thick bits of angle bolted to the end.

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    The manual winch is used to lift up the steel cover over the hatch in the floor. The chain on the electric winch is in a good clean condition. It could do with a slight oil. I have a 32A 110v transformer, just waiting for the extension lead for it and I can give it a go. The cable wrapped around the winch is for the remote control.

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    Cheers
    Andy
     
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  15. metalmelt Member

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    Be careful with oil as some types dont like it as it affects the braking mechanism, these types use a dry lubricant instead.

    Info should be on the manufacturers website.
     
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  16. brewdexta

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    I found the manual online the other day, its says
    "LOAD CHAIN
    A small amount of lubricant will greatly increase the life of load chain. Do not allow the chain to run dry. Keep it clean and lubricate at regular intervals with Lubriplate Bar and Chain Oil 10-4 (Fiske Bros. Refining Co.) or equal lubricant."

    I checked the oil specified and its a mineral based chainsaw oil. Some chain saw oils are vegetable based, but I think I have some of the good stuff knocking about.

    I also found the price £2.5K inc VAT new! Blimey, I think I will make an ermine lined box for it to live in :)
     
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  17. tom2207 Member

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    they are an industry standard , lots of versions and lots of ways to use them , best bit is there are loads of spares available but with the amount of use you will give it , you really wont ever wear it out. They are usually cased in pairs and certainly not in ermine lol.
     
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  18. daleyd

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    Lubing the chain should not affect the brake in any way - if it does it would be a pretty poor design, brakes are usually sealed on the end of the motor, well away from any possible contaminants.

    When I used to work at Pilkington we had loads of electric hoists for lifting plates with vac beams, we had a few different types due to the age of the place and all were oiled.

    Nice bit of kit, I'm quite jealous I could do with one for my milling machine :thumbup:
     
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  19. Brad93

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    Them loadstars are the dogs danglies. Tried to get one for ages but gave up. People wanted too much money for them.
     
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  20. Migmac

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    Our chain might get lubed once a year by the engineer but I’ve never seen any evidence of it. Ours get used daily, no great weight on them though. Heaviest thing I’ve had on it was 160kg. They seem to be bullet proof as ours lives in a damp environment
     
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