Does anyone actually want to work anymore.

[Seadog]

ESA?

European Space Agency

 

[Bryan Williams]

just to put this into context, with benefits its depends on how well you know how to get the system to work for you, one scenario is that you can get either personal independence payments (pip) or disability living allowance (dla) benefits as you may need additional help with daily living activities, and someone can then claim carers allowance for looking after you. Now you can get a couple who can claim the carers allowance for looking after one another if you're partner is claiming the pip or dla, at this stage remember that the pip or dla payments are because you're not really able to look after yourself. then on top of this you may be able to claim a severe disability premium, which may be payable to someone who does not have anyone claiming carers allowance for them....now if some if claiming certain types of pip of dla, then the fact that they are also claiming carers allowance doesn't matter.

so claiming as a couple you may be able to get just under £500 a week (or over £500 a week if you claim for the mobility element of pip or dla) per week from the benefits with a council house thrown in on top. and of course that is tax free. which works out to roughly £30k before tax .

If it was a normal couple both working 40hrs a week at minimum wage they would end up with just over £30k a year, but that would be taxed so you'd end up with a take home pay of roughly £25k a year. which is roughly what the couple above would be earning.

remember guys, dont turn this into a political debate of the thread will end up getting locked I guess

Sounds impressive but have you any experience of the interview process for dla?
I attended with my wife who came out in tears after being asked why if she had considered suicide she hadn't gone through with it.
They don't give it away .
They also did away with the indipendent living allowance, which was a godsend to both my mum and dad. I dread to think about the mess they would have been in without it.
He wasn't a scrounger either bricky all his life till work goosed him and the full stint in Burma.

 

[Burdekin]

I'd prefer not to work. I blame my parents for me not being a rich spoilt brat who could live off of them for all my life.

 

[ukracer]

You know what I mean, and yes I have been unemployed a couple of times but only due to being made redundant twice. And funnily enough my first action was to find another job rather than go and sign on.

But its not always possible. I am not straying into political territory, however there is a balance between attacking the workshy and those unable to work. (Genuinely). Plus those who loose their jobs overnight need a much different support especially as they cost more if they fall long term into the benefit system.

Its easy to view a persons work history.

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

I'd prefer not to work. I blame my parents for me not being a rich spoilt brat who could live off of them for all my life.

There's something wrong with how we live these days.
Making money for people with more money than they can possibly spend while we struggle to pay the bills amd have a reasonable quality of life.

Plus those who loose their jobs overnight need a much different support especially as they cost more if they fall long term into the benefit system.

Tried that. Due to the hoops you had to jump through I thanks to the benofot generations ended up loosing my rag tightening my belt and looking for work with no help.

 

[julianf]

just to put this into context, with benefits its depends on how well you know how to get the system to work for you, one scenario is that you can get either personal independence payments (pip) or disability living allowance (dla) benefits as you may need additional help with daily living activities, and someone can then claim carers allowance for looking after you. Now you can get a couple who can claim the carers allowance for looking after one another if you're partner is claiming the pip or dla, at this stage remember that the pip or dla payments are because you're not really able to look after yourself. then on top of this you may be able to claim a severe disability premium, which may be payable to someone who does not have anyone claiming carers allowance for them....now if some if claiming certain types of pip of dla, then the fact that they are also claiming carers allowance doesn't matter.

so claiming as a couple you may be able to get just under £500 a week (or over £500 a week if you claim for the mobility element of pip or dla) per week from the benefits with a council house thrown in on top. and of course that is tax free. which works out to roughly £30k before tax .

If it was a normal couple both working 40hrs a week at minimum wage they would end up with just over £30k a year, but that would be taxed so you'd end up with a take home pay of roughly £25k a year. which is roughly what the couple above would be earning.

remember guys, dont turn this into a political debate of the thread will end up getting locked I guess

If someone cant work due to being disabled, to the extent that their partner has to care for them, are you saying that they should get *less* than minimum wage?

In my opinion, if someone has been dealt a rubbish enough hand by life that they need someone to look after them, then, just possibly, someone who has a whole load more than they really *need* might like to share a little with them (forcibly by taxation if necessary)

Or are you saying that the person doing the full time care - the person who can not work another job, as they have to look after the first person should get less than minimum wage? Im honestly not sure what you are suggesting, but im feeling an undercurrent of "they're all scroungers" - but i might be wrong?


Able people on the dole is one thing - not supporting people who life has dealt a bad hand to through no fault of their own???

 

[cumbriasteve]

Thanks for the standard of the comments so far, it appears the thread has now run it's original course and slowly progressing into areas of discussion we avoid on the forum.