Brit Destroyer Sails Along Russian Coast???

[jerrytug]

I still don't get the "let's beat ourselves up over something that we have no control over" cult that seems to be going round now.

Maybe I'm some sort of 'ist. or have some form of 'ism that stops me seeing

I get it all too precisely, but probably am not allowed to go into detail. Except that it is wrong and damaging, especially when taught in schools and uni's, which makes my blood boil.

 

[fizzy]

Might be due to the fact that for the last few centuries they've rampaged round the globe in sailing ships sticking the Union flag in any piece of land that they happened upon and claiming it for the reigning monarch, as well as subjugating the local populace and forcing them to be "British" or taking them captive before sailing home to Liverpool or Bristol and selling them into slavery.

And let's not forget that the English have spent quite a few years subjugating the other nations of Great Britain, Scotsmen banned from wearing the kilt, Welsh folk banned from speaking their own language, Irish folk sent across the globe to seve penal servitude for simply looking after their families, etc, etc...

You have obviously never heard of the Barbary pirates then. It wasn't just us doing it.
People apply modern standards to very different times!

 

[fizzy]

The vast majority of British colonies benefited from higher living standards, law and order, and many advantages which, in Africa especially, seem to have vanished since independence. The Empire did far more good than harm.

Funnily enough my best friend is from the Gambia - he said exactly the same. He is old enough to remember when they used Lsd and no not the drug

 

[Miranda]

I still don't get the "let's beat ourselves up over something that we have no control over" cult that seems to be going round now.

Maybe I'm some sort of 'ist. or have some form of 'ism that stops me seeing

Totally agree. Worlds gone mad. The ex Aussie PM had it right on GMB

 

[Parm]

The vast majority of British colonies benefited from higher living standards, law and order, and many advantages which, in Africa especially, seem to have vanished since independence. The Empire did far more good than harm.

Controversial !!!!

 

[The_Yellow_Ardvark]

I still don't get the "let's beat ourselves up over something that we have no control over" cult that seems to be going round now.

Maybe I'm some sort of 'ist. or have some form of 'ism that stops me seeing

Good point, they say one thing. We say another.

Then the internet experts will tell us a whole different version.

 

[ronan]

I still don't get the "let's beat ourselves up over something that we have no control over" cult that seems to be going round now.

Maybe I'm some sort of 'ist. or have some form of 'ism that stops me seeing

Previous generations maybe, up until the first world war, but a bit silly now.

 

[Nomad]

There have been some spectacular achievements at sea, there have also been plenty of disasters.

Slave ships were still visiting UK less than 200 years ago, in 1796 the slave ship London ran aground in the Bristol channel with the loss of at about 100 lives. There's still a plaque on a bench overlooking Ilfracombe harbour as a memorial. I'm surprised the plaque hasn't been removed https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/grim-mystery-doomed-ship-rapparee-4221015

Just last week a deliberate explosion 100 miles offshore to test the carrier USS Gerald R. Ford registered as 3.9 magnitude earthquake on land and caused buildings to collapse. Oops ! https://news.usni.org/2021/06/19/vi...-trial-registered-as-3-9-magnitude-earthquake

 

[jerrytug]

Controversial !!!!

It's true though. The number of African countries which has prospered because the horrid Europeans granted them independence is a big, fat zero.
A takeover by the locals, then butchering and expelling the evil whites, has resulted in hunger and anarchy, as seen in places like Zim and now SA.
Tragically, if you kill the farmers, you will starve.
When I visited India, many people I met daily wished that we had never left, and they heard stories from parents and grandparents how well run and peaceful the country used to be, when the rule of law was enforced
and crime was much lower. (Although I never saw the Punjab)
No way was the British Empire, in general, a bad thing for the local people, when looked at overall, in hindsight.

 

[Parm]

It's true though. The number of African countries which has prospered because the horrid Europeans granted them independence is a big, fat zero.
A takeover by the locals, then butchering and expelling the evil whites, has resulted in hunger and anarchy, as seen in places like Zim and now SA.
Tragically, if you kill the farmers, you will starve.
When I visited India, many people I met daily wished that we had never left, and they heard stories from parents and grandparents how well run and peaceful the country used to be, when the rule of law was enforced
and crime was much lower. (Although I never saw the Punjab)
No way was the British Empire, in general, a bad thing for the local people, when looked at overall, in hindsight.

Like I said. Controversial. Let’s leave it there

 

[fizzy]

Like I said. Controversial. Let’s leave it there

Yes best keep it nice!

 

[Parm]

Yes best keep it nice!

I have my views, pretty well researched on this subject. I’m not going to say anything

 

[ronan]

Maybe with that all been said, we can move on ?

 

[minimutly]

Might be due to the fact that for the last few centuries they've rampaged round the globe in sailing ships sticking the Union flag in any piece of land that they happened upon and claiming it for the reigning monarch, as well as subjugating the local populace and forcing them to be "British" or taking them captive before sailing home to Liverpool or Bristol and selling them into slavery.

And let's not forget that the English have spent quite a few years subjugating the other nations of Great Britain, Scotsmen banned from wearing the kilt, Welsh folk banned from speaking their own language, Irish folk sent across the globe to seve penal servitude for simply looking after their families, etc, etc...

That's hating the English, not the same as bashing Britain. Bashing Britain is more to do with telling ourselves anything we make or do must be rubbish - ie buying German, even French and Italian cars etc
Farmers winge about trade deals with Australia, whilst driving Polish tractors...

 

[ronan]

That's hating the English, not the same as bashing Britain. Bashing Britain is more to do with telling ourselves anything we make or do must be rubbish - ie buying German, even French and Italian cars etc
Farmers winge about trade deals with Australia, whilst driving Polish tractors...

I have to admit, i have seen your media and various talking heads on your media talking your products down.

 

[Kayos]

Might be due to the fact that for the last few centuries they've rampaged round the globe in sailing ships sticking the Union flag in any piece of land that they happened upon and claiming it for the reigning monarch, as well as subjugating the local populace and forcing them to be "British" or taking them captive before sailing home to Liverpool or Bristol and selling them into slavery.

And let's not forget that the English have spent quite a few years subjugating the other nations of Great Britain, Scotsmen banned from wearing the kilt, Welsh folk banned from speaking their own language, Irish folk sent across the globe to seve penal servitude for simply looking after their families, etc, etc...

Yes, your point being?

We gave the world indepencence days, what other nation can say that?

Why did Britain never go to the moon? No tasty spices to appropriate, and no one to give it back to once we have built a railway, installed parliamentary democracy and taken anything of value

 

[brightspark]

did anyone actually go to the moon or was it staged

 

[Parm]

did anyone actually go to the moon or was it staged

Didn’t you supply the props ?

sourced from the boot sale ?

 

[brightspark]

Didn’t you supply the props ?

sourced from the boot sale ?

nahh i buy quality stuff from autojumble not tat

 

[Parm]

nahh i buy quality stuff from autojumble not tat

For tuppence halfpenny

with a lifetime stock