Badly mig welded car/partsparts

  1. slimjim Member

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    You shoukd have said,

    I have a viva HC project, with a mint shell, that I should probably move on.
     
  2. droopsnoot

    droopsnoot Member

    I don't think it's bad enough to start looking at donor shells, and if yours is in good nick then it would be a pity to do anything other than restore it. I bought this because it was going to be broken, and as it's a pretty unusual car I didn't want to see that happen.

    It's certainly not as bad as my previous project, the only atrocious workmanship on that was mine when I'd first attempted some repairs, and that was long enough before that they'd already started detaching themselves as the metal behind disintegrated.
     
  3. reb78 Member

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    From your username, it sounds like you would like my project - https://www.mig-welding.co.uk/forum/threads/pictures-of-old-or-rare-vehicles.102789/page-11 although that ones in a completely unrestored state so I wont have to fix other peoples bodges
     
  4. droopsnoot

    droopsnoot Member

    Yes indeed, and it's great that you have such a history with it. As I acquired this in largely-dismantled form, the photos I took when I got it aren't really worth posting. I did quite a long thread on another forum covering my previous rebuild of another of these, and I haven't been doing the same for this as there's only so much difference from the first. The chap I got it from stuck a few bits back on it to give an idea of it, this is one of his photos.

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  5. reb78 Member

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    Nice! Where was your other thread? I would like to have a read? I am on the Vauxhall Viva Owners Club forum (and a club member) but couldn't really find others with their level of info.
     
  6. droopsnoot

    droopsnoot Member

  7. stuvy

    stuvy Member

    I picked up some parts the other week from a classic car restoration place and saw this

    The guys were all in there 50’s and had all the gear but obviously no idea
     
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  8. hobby_machinist Member

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    I can hear "Im welding my whole life so dont teach me how to weld"
     
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  9. stuvy

    stuvy Member

    Thing is they will sell that car at £100k

    it was a smart relatively new work shop not something in an old barn on a farm
     
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  10. RWD3M

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    Of course we're all assuming they did it and that the car wasn't in for remedial works! :)
     
  11. stuvy

    stuvy Member

    I asked the chaps and they proudly told me what it will sell at, I enquired do you do all the work

    the car has had new floor pans, inner sills and outer plus all 4 wing lips

    it must be about 5k in panels and the ones they have made really didn’t look good

    It was the only picture I managed to snap
     
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  12. RWD3M

    RWD3M Member

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    :oThat's shocking!
     
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  13. graffian

    graffian Seer unto the end of his beard

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    A mudguard, with really nice paint. My 3 year old nephew bounced on the seat and cracks appeared in the paint.
    The guard had six mig welded patches, not sure if they were patches maybe just blobs of mig weld, blobbed till it
    formed a patch. The photo doesn't do them justice they are about 3/8th of an inch thick,
    I drilled holes around the bad patches, intending on sawing out the patch, pressing on the drill pushed the patches off. neat-welding.jpg
     
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  14. stuvy

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    Iv actually worked for a company and he asked me to paint over holes in the floor of a rally car with seam sealer rather than properly fix it

    I refused but the apprentice jumped at the chance to use seam sealer for the first time

    first pic should be of my torch underneath it

    edit, I really should wait for the pictures to upload
     
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  15. Nick DV

    Nick DV "You must unlearn what you have learned."

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    A rally car and he wanted that done!!! :o Ahh, it's ok though, he's run the HT cable inside the car so that makes it safe and race ready :vsad:
     
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  16. RWD3M

    RWD3M Member

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    There doesn't seem to be one but if there was, I'd insert a 'shakes head' emoji here!
     
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  17. stuvy

    stuvy Member

    this was a fully fledged business with 10 staff and over 150 cars to look after... cowboys
     
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  18. bricol Member

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    To be fair, they don't look to be rust holes, and all he wants to do is stop the notes getting wet . . . :)
     
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  19. bigegg

    bigegg I drink and I know things. Its what I do.

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    \I had a transit van where someone had done the same with the chassis rails: except using expanding foam, rather than concrete
     
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  20. droopsnoot

    droopsnoot Member

    I was at an event last year, and a local classic restoration company had three of the same car on display - one in "as found" condition, the centre one a "restored" painted bare shell with some parts going back on, and the third a completely rebuilt car, obviously to show off the quality of the work. There wasn't much going on at the show so I spent quite a bit of time looking around these cars, and came to the conclusion that the only one I'd want was the one they hadn't touched. At first, it just looked like they hadn't straightened the brake pipes out properly before fitting them, but then I started noticing other stuff. Looking through the holes in the chassis box section (which are supposed to be there) there was MIG wire that had run through the welds they'd done on the other side. Several plates over poor parts of the floor and bulkhead where the original metal clearly hadn't been cut out before the plate went on. I did try to have a chat with the guy manning the stand, but he kept avoiding me. I don't know if he'd picked up on how unimpressed I was, but I actually wanted to ask if they'd just slapped the paint on to be able to show the three stages and were actually intending to rectify it.

    The view through the chassis: MIG wire and a crinkly brake pipe, and not repairing the edge on the side nearest the camera.

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    And how about this for a floor pan repair?

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    Paint had a lovely shine to it, though. Like I said, maybe they were going to strip, rectify and paint, but they'd already started fitting brake pipes to it.
     
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