All UK HGVs to be zero emissions from 2040

[The Artilleryman]

My daughter lives in Chester but works a few miles away in Wales. The Welsh bus drivers get £1 per hour less than the English drivers so they are going on strike for 5 weeks. Daughter has no other way of getting to work s too far to walk !

As a former bus driver, I understand how you, she, and other passengers feel. Strike action is not taken litely, and you have to jump through a large number of hoops to stay legal.

The problem is most bus services are run on behalf of the local authority, whose funds are continuosly being cut by the government, so there is less and less subsidy, hence the large number of bus routes cut over the years.

Drivers are working long hours for poor wages, when gas/electric and fuel are going up by a large percentage, a lot are already on the bread line, many who can get out will and never come back. There is already a large shortage of bus drivers and most do not stay long when they see the reality of the job, rather than the fairy tales the bus companies tell to get new drivers.

Most bus drivers worked all through the lock downs, a very very stressful time for them and there families, then to be insulted by a miserable pay offer, I cannot blame them for striking.

Striking is the last resort, not the first.

 

[MetalMonkey]

Again, actually read my posts
The current work the DNO are doing is in very rural Northumberland

No, I read what you had written. I was simply providing a perspective from my local DNO. It will vary by area and demand.

 

[Kayos]

No, I read what you had written. I was simply providing a perspective from my local DNO. It will vary by area and demand.

But the upgrades happen when there is an increase in demand, rural or not

We notify of our intentions 12+ months in advance, if the grid needs upgrades to cope, it gets the upgrades

Im sorry but I fail to see what your point is? I was letting the naysayers and Daily Mail readers know that the grid is being upgraded and that was also happening in rural areas

If your area needs an upgrade then make the call

 

[MetalMonkey]

But the upgrades happen when there is an increase in demand, rural or not

We notify of our intentions 12+ months in advance, if the grid needs upgrades to cope, it gets the upgrades

Im sorry but I fail to see what your point is? I was letting the naysayers and Daily Mail readers know that the grid is being upgraded and that was also happening in rural areas

If your area needs an upgrade then make the call

My point was, if they are failing to keep up with basic maintenance, how do you imagine they will cope with growth of exponential demand?
The example you gave was a location which was already in the process of getting a substation upgrade.

 

[Kayos]

My point was, if they are failing to keep up with basic maintenance, how do you imagine they will cope with growth of exponential demand?
The example you gave was a location which was already in the process of getting a substation upgrade.

Which is it then? Are they upgrading the systems or failing to keep up with basic maintenance?

Or do they react to the needs?

 

[plewlandsbob]

That comment made me - an old man smile - it amused me no end!

But it does raise the "social question" - what will everybody do for work/income...?

When you do away with lorry/taxi/bus/train/van drivers....

Or who is going to pay the tax, to pay the unemployed and other social benefits , if there are no workers to pay income tax?

 

[MetalMonkey]

Which is it then? Are they upgrading the systems or failing to keep up with basic maintenance?

Or do they react to the needs?

Seems you are confusing three separate questions there.

My DNO is struggling with maintenance, or that was certainly the situation, admittedly a few years ago now, when I had a man on the inside. They haven't updated any of the infrastructure in my immediate (very rural, domestic, farms) area for many decades.
When we added a second substation at a business customer (moderate sized town, same DNO), we had to make a case for the usage and guarantee a certain amount. IIRC it took around 12 months to get an install date and the wayleave agreements (connection 20m away) and all the paperwork sorted.

From what you have said, your DNO was already updating a substation in the local area, you notified them of your intended usage, and they haven't updated the cable to the customer, as presumably it is already sufficient for the request.

Over the next decade demand will significantly increase, the question is will there be enough resource and funding to be able to keep up with it.
Based on our seperate experiences it seems you believe yes, and I'm somewhat more sceptical unless they up their game over the next few years.

HTH

 

[pressbrake1]

quik maffs

485k HGVs registered in UK last year. Half of them maybe? 44 tonners
44t lorry 7.6 mpg average
500 miles travel (small range really) - 296 litres diesel
approximates into 2960 KWh potential energy
30% efficiency (being kind) = 888 KWh

Now lets disregard the electrical energy losses and assume you just need 888 KWh of electrical energy to take 44 tons 500 miles (in reality you need more)

"will charge 80% in an hour" - so 80% of 888KWh in 1 hour = 710KW quick chargers? REALLY? Where's this distribution network going to come from?

And don’t forget electric cars vans and diggers
And the population increase with exclusively electric heated homes
And servers for the AI running everything
And...
I’m glad I’m late forties and on the home stretch to dead and haven’t got to watch this ****

 

[Richiew]

At least my welders are electric. They wont get phased out, hopefully.

 

[ronan]

After all that jet fuel burnt flying the rich and richer in, all the hot air and blather, its all amounted to 10% of sfa .

Cop26: Alok Sharma tells delegates he is 'sorry' as he signs deal

Britain's president of the Cop26 climate conference Alok Sharma said on Saturday he was 'deeply sorry' after the Glasgow Pact was watered down at the last minute with the wording of coal altered.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[8ob]

After all that jet fuel burnt flying the rich and richer in, all the hot air and blather, its all amounted to 10% of sfa .

Cop26: Alok Sharma tells delegates he is 'sorry' as he signs deal

Britain's president of the Cop26 climate conference Alok Sharma said on Saturday he was 'deeply sorry' after the Glasgow Pact was watered down at the last minute with the wording of coal altered.

www.dailymail.co.uk

In fairness to them they have made progress on a global level, modern coal fired power stations using cct and ccs are not the same animal of old. Its a start.

Bob

 

[daleyd]

Why did it take years to complete?

Don't buy shares in Amazon, DPD, Herpes, DHL or UPS.

Erm - it took years because it’s 300 odd miles long and electrifying something like that while the main service is still running is quite a big job

 

[lchris21]

And don’t forget electric cars vans and diggers
And the population increase with exclusively electric heated homes
And servers for the AI running everything
And...
I’m glad I’m late forties and on the home stretch to dead and haven’t got to watch this ****

yes me too, I feel quite privileged to be at the dusk of the age of the internal combustion engine......
Can see it now, COP 26,000,000 or whatever..................." we need to do something about the rising levels of oil oozing from the planet as our ancestors stopped burning it in the early 21st century!"
Saying that we'll all be dead by 2051 by all accounts

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

This sums up Cop for me.

 

[pressbrake1]

yes me too, I feel quite privileged to be at the dusk of the age of the internal combustion engine......
Can see it now, COP 26,000,000 or whatever..................." we need to do something about the rising levels of oil oozing from the planet as our ancestors stopped burning it in the early 21st century!"
Saying that we'll all be dead by 2051 by all accounts

Don’t care about internal combustion engines.
I can’t stand all the political bs.
Give the engineers , scientists and other experts the job and keep out of it with political gestures that just cost the taxpayers.
I saw a green add saying we should walk or cycle to work.
Some of us have to carry equipment and a majority have to travel a fair distance.
I suggested stop demolition of places of work and schools to build more houses and bring back local jobs
They blocked me

 

[minimutly]

My point was, if they are failing to keep up with basic maintenance, how do you imagine they will cope with growth of exponential demand?
The example you gave was a location which was already in the process of getting a substation upgrade.

Bit of a lack of insight into how dnos work here. If you're a customer, which we all are, you want a bigger supply? They do a study, the planner tells you what it will cost, you pay. The dno might want to plan upgrades for future use, but the money comes from the customer.

 

[8ob]

Bit of a lack of insight into how dnos work here. If you're a customer, which we all are, you want a bigger supply? They do a study, the planner tells you what it will cost, you pay. The dno might want to plan upgrades for future use, but the money comes from the customer.

True, a customer of mine needs an upgrade of 200amps on his three phase supply and he is footing the bill for the new transformer/mains which will benefit any other users needing upgrades at a later date. Its costing him north of 60k

Bob

 

[minimutly]

True, a customer of mine needs an upgrade of 200amps on his three phase supply and he is footing the bill for the new transformer/mains which will benefit any other users needing upgrades at a later date. Its costing him north of 60k

Bob

And one of the rules is that if future customers share that upgrade, the original customer gets a partial refund.
Too many people waffling here about stuff they know nothing about...

 

[daro]

Basic error there, if its an east european truck with 2 (or more) drivers sharing the driving.
they are never parked for hours, always on the road.

or a truck with one driver doing a day shift, another driver doing nights in the same truck

Basic error there, needing 500 miles. No need at all, let’s first start now where law states a minimum 45min break every 4.5hrs.
4.5hrs at 50mph average (being generous) so there we are at 270 miles range required whilst leaving plenty of head room.
The terra 360 chargers that ABB make supply 360KW for car drivers, although this could be upped no problem.
Of course after the first charge and second part of the journey the 9hr driving limit comes in and you have hours and hours of charging available.

 

[Shedendman]

Saw this,this morning thought i'd share,make your own mind up