A surprising cost comparison - ICE / EV

[daleyd]

As an ex London bus driver, I have some experience of electric bus operation.
Diesel double deck bus on road for 19 hours every weekday - goes out and stays out.
Electric single deck bus does 4 1/2 hours then back in to recharge.
DD passes the garage all day on a hilly 1 1/2 to 2 hour round trip.
SD terminates at the garage on a 1 hour flat round trip.

Less hassle and stress for the DD driver.

Also company has to employ somebody to ensure the SD's could access the chargers and to keep swapping them around so that buses would go out on time and have enough charge to complete the round trip, and of course find replacement diesels when needed (quite often).

I'm not anti EV, give me one tomorrow and pay for the fitment of a decent EV point and I'll drive it. I cannot afford to change my car, when what I've got is paid for. Especially as I took early retirement, due to poor health.

Isn’t that why they are looking at hydrogen for larger vehicles though?

 

[nickk]

Isn’t that why they are looking at hydrogen for larger vehicles though?

I read several years ago in “machinery market”,LT had them on trial.anyone know any details,maybe @The Artilleryman ?

 

[Revs1972]

Please excuse my ignorance, but how long does it take for the battery to cool down? Are we talking about a couple of minutes, or is a longer period required?

I am thinking of a driver who wants to charge the battery while having a meal at a motorway service station. It would be inconvenient if he had to park somewhere and eat his first course while the battery cooled, and then go out to move the car to the charging point.

a well specced EV with heat pump will precondition the battery temperature ready for a rapid charge. From what I’ve read that is between 20~40 degrees . They will do this automatically if you have route set to include a charge on your journey. I’ve also read that you shouldn’t rely on rapid charging every time, and should slow charge them overnight to prolong battery life. If they are leasing, I bet most driver DGAS as in 3 years time it will someone else’s problem .

 

[The Artilleryman]

I read several years ago in “machinery market”,LT had them on trial.anyone know any details,maybe @The Artilleryman ?

Some years ago I think they had hydrogen powered single decker's on the RV1 from Waterloo, equipement was taken out years ago, I think.

Up to 2000 I worked central London mostly route 68 West Norwood to Euston and saw the RV1's daily, but then moved to Croydon (TC) and furthest into London I'd go was Elephant & Castle.

 

[atomant48]

We’ll my EV arrives tomorrow and I’m hoping they deliver it with a full tank as I haven’t managed to get the charger installed yet.

 

[toddy]

We’ll my EV arrives tomorrow and I’m hoping they deliver it with a full tank as I haven’t managed to get the charger installed yet.

What one are you getting?

 

[willie.macleod]

We’ll my EV arrives tomorrow and I’m hoping they deliver it with a full tank as I haven’t managed to get the charger installed yet.

If it doesn't already come with one then a granny charger is a sensible addition for £150 odd and will tide you over plus be handy to throw in the boot when travelling further afield for emergencies.

 

[atomant48]

What one are you getting?

A model 3. They had an “offer” through the lease company that tipped it for me.

 

[atomant48]

Almost a week in and certainly a big smile from this thing. It’s pretty rapid - I expected it to be quite quick but wasn’t really prepared for how quick. Like driving a little go kart around. I did a 140 mile round trip on the first day (there was a charging point where my meeting was) and I’ve had it on once overnight on a standard plug since. Seems to predict about 300 miles on a 90% tank. We are trying to use it for all the little journeys - no warm up, easier to park and the kids love it as it has all sorts of “gadgets” like whoopee cushions on each seat built into the audio ……

 

[not done it yet]

If it doesn't already come with one then a granny charger is a sensible addition for £150 odd and will tide you over plus be handy to throw in the boot when travelling further afield for emergencies.

If I had a BEV, I would always carry one - always handy to charge at destination and put money in the hands of the person visited - rather than the often exorbitant/extortionist/(possibly) unreliable charger network - if possible.

For most of my longer journeys I would hope to charge sufficiently to get home and only use the charging network the absolute minimum. Most of my longer journeys are within a 100 mile radius.

£150 for a thirteen amp plug-in is still daylight robbery!

 

[atomant48]

If I had a BEV, I would always carry one - always handy to charge at destination and put money in the hands of the person visited - rather than the often exorbitant/extortionist/(possibly) unreliable charger network - if possible.

For most of my longer journeys I would hope to charge sufficiently to get home and only use the charging network the absolute minimum. Most of my longer journeys are within a 100 mile radius.

£150 for a thirteen amp plug-in is still daylight robbery!

If that’s the cable and adaptor for a standard 3 pin plug then yes it came with one as standard. I can also put a 16 or 32 A adaptor onto the end of that but am not convinced I’ll need one yet. Yes the charging network can be a bit pricey - think it was about 40p/kW on the way to Birmingham a few weeks back (in someone else’s car ) although that was the 100+kW charger.

 

[dobbslc]

like whoopee cushions on each seat built into the audio ……

 

[brewdexta]

This is an interesting article regarding battery tech, not just for EVs but other uses too from tools to off grid batteries. Fewer rare elements and 2 to 5 times the power density of lithium ion batteries. Ok, still lithium but it is progress.

Australian researchers announce lithium-sulfur battery breakthrough

Researchers from Australia’s Monash University have created a new generation of lithium-sulfur batteries to provide a cheaper, cleaner and faster-charging energy storage solution that outlasts lithium-ion alternatives and is rechargeable hundreds of times without failing.

www.pv-magazine.com

 

[Kayos]

Circumstances can change awfully quickly these days.

At some point this year I will be taking delivery of a Tesla

It helps that other than benefit in kind tax I don't have to pay for it

 

[Revs1972]

It helps that other than benefit in kind tax I don't have to pay for it

And fortunately it’s a minimal amount. That was the deal maker when I bought mine

 

[Kayos]

And fortunately it’s a minimal amount. That was the deal maker when I bought mine

Not often I say this, but the Tesla makes financial sense, and the company supplied home charger will help too

 

[atomant48]

In reality mines not working out hugely cheaper to run (it is definitely cheaper but it’s very dependent on the balance of electricity vs petrol cost at present !!) but it’s so much fun - I enjoy driving again ! And you can’t get 500hp performance at that price anywhere else ….

 

[Kayos]

In reality mines not working out hugely cheaper to run (it is definitely cheaper but it’s very dependent on the balance of electricity vs petrol cost at present !!) but it’s so much fun - I enjoy driving again ! And you can’t get 500hp performance at that price anywhere else ….

New job and the financials are designed to nudge you into a Tesla, they reckon a saving of £500 per person per month compared to diesel, I don't have any data to check though

 

[Ruffian]

It's interesting seeing people going towards the ev market.

Which is great,

But can see alot of it being smoke and mirrors.

Provided they find enough electric, or find a suitable grid to supply that power as current one can't keep up with modern demands. How much land needs to be mined to find the lithium for said batteries.

But now with petrol and diesel being at a all time high and Russia conflict may influence supply chains. I think its just trying to price people off the roads.
And this along other things may stretch things too far.

My partner with her diesel jeep (£30 tax and 45mpg) if had to go back to the office rather than work from home, would have to seriously think if it would be worth it or looking for a more local job.

And now the price of electric and gas going up a fair few % the whole running costs of everything are going to tighten the belt further.

 

[Kayos]

It's interesting seeing people going towards the ev market.

Which is great,

But can see alot of it being smoke and mirrors.

Provided they find enough electric, or find a suitable grid to supply that power as current one can't keep up with modern demands. How much land needs to be mined to find the lithium for said batteries.

But now with petrol and diesel being at a all time high and Russia conflict may influence supply chains. I think its just trying to price people off the roads.
And this along other things may stretch things too far.

My partner with her diesel jeep (£30 tax and 45mpg) if had to go back to the office rather than work from home, would have to seriously think if it would be worth it or looking for a more local job.

I'm only quoting as this is the most recent time I've seen it, can you provide links to show the information that the grid cannot currently cope?

I've said before, I add huge loads to the grid (750 amp startup current is next) so obviously we get DNO surveys and approval, the amount of upgrades carried out is quite staggering