Recommendations for solid 2k gloss

[Micromoose]

Hi All,

I'm hoping to paint my 1992 integrale project this year and I would like to have a plan in place for which product to use.

I've stripped the shell back to bare metal then applied 2 coats of Lechler 29107 epoxy primer. Throughout the winter and spring I'll sand back and recoat a few times to build up the depth then guide coat and flat to a paint finish.

When the weather picks up I then want to move to (non-metallic) colour. From various sources I've been recommended Jawel 2k acrylic, Max Meyer Duralit DG and HMG Nisocoat. Since receiving those recommendations I've found drawbacks to all! I have a decent sized compressor and air dryer, but I don't have a booth (check garage pic) or much experience. I have a second, smaller compressor so I'm happy to get an air-fed mask for protection and I live in a rural area so I'm not worried about poisoning neighbours with over-spray. Based on the massive amount of knowledge on here, what are your thoughts on a sympathetic product that will flatter the beginner and be (relatively) easy to use! I know everyone will have their own opinion and there won't be a consensus, but some real world experience would be really good.

Many thanks

 

[Misterg]

Out of curiosity: What drawbacks did you find for the Nisocoat? (I have some waiting to go on!)

 

[Micromoose]

Out of curiosity: What drawbacks did you find for the Nisocoat? (I have some waiting to go on!)

I was originally going to go for Jawel but people claim the general quality isn't great and I'd be better off going with a better quality paint such as Max Meyer, but then people have said it's aimed at professionals and is difficult to apply as it's very heavy. I've heard the Nisocoat is tricky as it flashes off very quickly so you have to work fast to get a good finish - as I'm a DIY'er the last thing I'll be is fast

 

[ajlelectronics]

If you have the correct PPE etc, there is no reason not to go with a conventional 2K. Jawel paints are "commercial". That means that the colour matching may not be absolutely perfect, which matters not for a full respray.

 

[MetalMonkey]

I use Max Meyer, don't think its any more difficult to apply then any other paint in all honesty.
The worst 2K I had was cheap no brand special chassis black for suspension stuff, it was like water and run as soon as you misted it on.

 

[Micromoose]

Thanks. I was reading this thread about Max Meyer which put me off.

Ultra high solids paint is designed for professional/expert use and it probably wasn't really appropriate for the vendor to sell you that. It's designed so that an expert sprayer can lay on one or two thick coats without running it everywhere, as a time saver.
A medium solids product is better for DIYers as they can be laid on in thinner and numerous coats. I don't believe you can thin UHS to achieve the same effect.
By all means try again though with what you have, just try and follow the intended process a bit more closely.

 

[badabec]

On my Citroen DS I used Nisocoat 2 and a LVLP spray gun.
I'm a complete beginner. I had no problems at all.

 

[MetalMonkey]

Thanks. I was reading this thread about Max Meyer which put me off.

I used the standard HS, not the UHS.
I think that's what they are referring to.

 

[Micromoose]

Ok, thanks. I can find the Duralit DG which seems to be for solid colours, the Maxicar HS is for pearl and metallics - does this sound about right?

 

[MetalMonkey]

Ok, thanks. I can find the Duralit DG which seems to be for solid colours, the Maxicar HS is for pearl and metallics - does this sound about right?

Yes, that sounds right for direct gloss. I've used both their base/clear and direct gloss without any issues with a 1.4 gravity fed (S701G).
I've never used the UHS, so I can't comment on how that compares, but I can only assume that might have been the issue.

If you have the ability to deal with spraying isocyanate 2K, I certainly wouldn't dismiss max meyer, its decent stuff.
On the other hand I've seen a lot of good feedback on the isocyanate free products which may be a lot easier/safer for DIY spraying - I've no experience with those yet to compare.

 

[Micromoose]

Yes, that sounds right for direct gloss. I've used both their base/clear and direct gloss without any issues with a 1.4 gravity fed (S701G).
I've never used the UHS, so I can't comment on how that compares, but I can only assume that might have been the issue.

If you have the ability to deal with spraying isocyanate 2K, I certainly wouldn't dismiss max meyer, its decent stuff.
On the other hand I've seen a lot of good feedback on the isocyanate free products which may be a lot easier/safer for DIY spraying - I've no experience with those yet to compare.

Ok, many thanks for your help with this. I'll see if anyone else chimes in with some first-hand knowledge and maybe something about the isocyanate free products.

 

[carbon]

Max Mayer for me as well. Years ago I was after some ms clear. The local paint suppliers would only supply hs. I made a telephone call to max meyer and asked why it was so hard to get the ms version to be informed that they had pallets of it in there warehouse. They recommend a supplier that wasn’t to far away and I purchased it from them. So if you are having problems getting the product you’d like I would recommend getting in touch with the manufacturer and ask who will supply the product you want.

 

[richie00boy]

Max Mayer is good paint. What I was talking about is don't use UHS, as has been pointed out. Max Meyer make MS and HS paint too...

 

[Micromoose]

Max Mayer is good paint. What I was talking about is don't use UHS, as has been pointed out. Max Meyer make MS and HS paint too...

Cheers for that, I thinks the Duralit might be the way to go

 

[jo1010]

Good looking project!.....
Extraction of paint mist will be a problem for you - it's not safe enough to have breathing air inside a mask if the atmosphere is dense with spray fog...
And if trying to paint over the next few months remember you'll need dry heat for the extent of your paint curing time...

 

[Micromoose]

Good looking project!.....
Extraction of paint mist will be a problem for you - it's not safe enough to have breathing air inside a mask if the atmosphere is dense with spray fog...
And if trying to paint over the next few months remember you'll need dry heat for the extent of your paint curing time...

Good points. I'm planning to have the mask fed by a separate compressor sited outside so it can draw in fresh air. You're right about painting over winter, I'm spending some time now flatting the bodywork and I may hit it with some more epoxy when we get a reasonable day. Just getting everything in a row for painting next summer. Cheers

 

[ajlelectronics]

separate compressor sited outside so it can draw in fresh air.

Very sensible, but do you have a "breathing air filter pack"? You shouldn't take a 'live' feed straight from a compressor to an air fed mask.

 

[steveo3002]

jawel doesnt spring to mind when shopping for quality products

 

[ajlelectronics]

Jawel doesn't spring to mind when shopping for quality products.

I have used a lot of it in the past and it has been fine, as long as you realise that it is "bulk" paint, which affects the repeat colour matching. Apart from that, I had no complaints.

 

[Micromoose]

Very sensible, but do you have a "breathing air filter pack"? You shouldn't take a 'live' feed straight from a compressor to an air fed mask.

Hmm, I have a filter and separator which I assumed would be sufficient, a quick google tells me they won't be up to the job. Maybe the HMG Nisocoat 2 comes back in play!!