- Thread starter roofman
- Start date
Morrisman
Forum Supporter
- Messages
- 8,933
- Location
- Staffordshire, England
trawling through the Bay looking at mindless stuff i stumbled on this...A radiator for a Renault Trafic 2019-21, Who the hell designed this?? and can you think what it is going to look like in 15 years
View attachment 298237
Someone posted a pic somewhere of a whole V8 engine that looked ten times more complex than that, and I thought was a joke pic. However, turns out it is a real motor and ancillary parts, and that’s how you get 600hp out of 6 litres, at 30mpg, for 100,000 miles or more, with next to no maintenance, with air con, in all conditions from Death valley to Norway.
The_Yellow_Ardvark
https://www.death-clock.org/
- Messages
- 20,209
- Location
- Going Away.
That is if the have flats left.If you had proper spanners it would have been easy... 12.7mm in funny money is 1/2" AF on real tools.
I have been there were moles, stilsons etc are the only way.
Bobupndown
What could possibly go wrong?
- Messages
- 1,935
- Location
- Northern Ireland
Built in obsolescence, service life of 5 years, anything more than that is luck. Not like something like an old landrover where you can replace the chassis, engine and gearbox simply and run it for ever.
Mr "idiot" designer would have been working under orders from Design Manager under orders from sales to make it for 4.9p so you would buy it instead of the one costing 5p . . .
Bri (Senior Design Engineer)
Mr "idiot" designer would have been working under orders from Design Manager under orders from sales to make it for 4.9p so you would buy it instead of the one costing 5p . . .
Bri (Senior Design Engineer)
oh believe me, I know the designers constraints so it's nothing personal. Ended up I was Engineering manager responsible for an HVAC design and construction service in the oil and gas industry for way too years before I took redundancy and set up working for myself, so know exactly what you mean. Had many happy hours designing systems worth millions only to end up arguing the point with management, clients and procurement over hundreds... most difficulty was usually with the procurement team buyers..
all that is all well and good, but sometimes we make excuses for just down right shoddy design... I looked at the way this was installed, and it would have taken nothing more than a foot of wire to install it in somewhere that would have taken literally minutes to change. Everything else being equal, ok they would have the cost of the foot of wire, but they would have been able to reduce the quantity of steel rod / and gained one bearing underneath by shortening one link which went full width, so would have saved there too.... but we don't know all the other design constraints, so we'll leave it at that, but I'm sure your right, on paper they probably saved that 0.1p so management would be happy.
Dave (Ex Eng Manager.... now self employed daft erse repair workshop owner with skinned knuckles)
Last edited:
Red'n'Black
Forum Supporter
- Messages
- 720
- Location
- Malvern, Worcs
This, a thousand times this. Had one car with it, horrible things. Never again.
sako243
Member
- Messages
- 4,133
- Location
- My mansion in Wales
Build simplicity - rather than trying to route a huge cable and handle somewhere into the cab you can replace it with a switch.
I'm not providing an excuse but also modern people are morons so having the ability to automatically put on the handbrake under control of a computer is desirable in some senses.
I'm not providing an excuse but also modern people are morons so having the ability to automatically put on the handbrake under control of a computer is desirable in some senses.
mike os
just a little insane.....
- Messages
- 9,809
- Location
- North Wales
love them personally
dobbslc
Forum Supporter
- Messages
- 13,091
- Location
- Hertfordshire UK
The stupid Renault Kangoo handbrake is fitted across the van left to right! Dumb **** idea as you have to twist your wrist to operate it 
Stupid Renault kangoo drivers door pocket that you can't get your hand in without opening the door
Stupid Renault Kangoo gearbox that's missing at least 1 gear going by the engine speed at 70mph on the motorway
I could go on but it's rose` time so I'll leave a few more of these for you all.
Stupid Renault kangoo drivers door pocket that you can't get your hand in without opening the door
Stupid Renault Kangoo gearbox that's missing at least 1 gear going by the engine speed at 70mph on the motorway
I could go on but it's rose` time so I'll leave a few more of these for you all.
Think it's the Citroën relay that's got the handbrake on the right, beside the drivers seat.
Seen loads of them bent like a banana as people seem to think it makes a great handle for pulling yourself up into the cab with.
Stupid Renault kangoo drivers door pocket that you can't get your hand in without opening the door
The door pockets on the Mondeo are the same, they go back so far that the first time you accelerate whatever in there is gone for good.
And as for the cubby hole in the middle with no sides. Well, what's the point in that, unless you have some fetish for picking things up from the footwells!
slim_boy_fat
Member
- Messages
- 29,532
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
All down to cost-driven unitary construction. Build the jigsaw of modules, each dropped on top of another with a different function. But yes, make them fix it before production runs - like that's going to happen...
. "The customer'll pay", innit 
My Dodge has got one of them - and it means the subtle art of initiating a quick turn, or the option of aiding the steering in low grip conditions with the rear wheel steering stick has been lost . . .
Used to be a bit of tape over the button for a fly-off lever, and autotest here we come . . .
Lotus/Caterham sevens used to have the same sideways handbrake lever - under the passenger side of the dash - you couldn't reach it with the seat harness on . . .The stupid Renault Kangoo handbrake is fitted across the van left to right! Dumb **** idea as you have to twist your wrist to operate it
Stupid Renault kangoo drivers door pocket that you can't get your hand in without opening the door
Stupid Renault Kangoo gearbox that's missing at least 1 gear going by the engine speed at 70mph on the motorway
I could go on but it's rose` time so I'll leave a few more of these for you all.
Nissan.. Renault...
roofman
Purveyor of fine English buckets and mops
- Messages
- 12,434
- Location
- North West with water on 3 sides
If i had room for spanners i would not of mentioned it in my post as they would of been offIf you had proper spanners it would have been easy... 12.7mm in funny money is 1/2" AF on real tools.
