Formula 1

[CornishPete]

In that case I suspect you haven't been looking too hard.

I haven't got a premeditated agenda so don't feel the need to look for something that isn't there. If you do want to look for something then you'll find it no matter what. I don't particularly like Andy Murray when lots of people do. If someone was to criticise Andy Murray (and lots of people do!) nobody has ever been accused of criticising him because he's white. Why when someone criticises Lewis Hamilton are they accused of doing it because he's not white?

In fairness I don't think that white people can fully comprehend the scale of incessant low-level, often unintentioned racism that non-white folk suffer. My wife and a couple of my friends are Asian and they can all recount endless instances of stuff that ranges from casual unknowing racist actions to full-blown in your face stuff. The old phrase 'walk a mile in my shoes' springs to mind. And while Lewis now moves in circles that none of us have experience of, I'm sure there were plenty of such incidents on his way up. And the racism that doen't speak its name, manifested in sniping about his every action or inaction, still persists.

Why couldn't a white person fully comprehend it? Lots of us have a circle of friends from all walks of life and feel offended by the suggestion were all racist without even knowing it by dint of being white! stating someone is doing something without them knowing they're doing it is stating an opinion that has no way of countering it? Why is it not acceptable to group Asian people or black people together but it's acceptable to group white people together?

 

[Nick DV]

Were you aware of him before F1?

Might be under Ron's wing, but that counts for nowt in a wet field out the back of Barnsley masquerading as a paddock . . .

The guy is top of his field in what he does all the way through - even his peers say he is - but all the armchair experts seem to know otherwise . . .

Before F1? Errr, yes! Do you mean in Formula Renault, F3, F2. I didn't follow his karting career I have to admit, but then again I didn't just follow LH, along with the previouly mentioned m/sport, I was too busy following BTCC, WSB, Moto GP, BSB, club racing........................ I've not disputed his talent once so why the "armchair expert" comment?

And while Lewis now moves in circles that none of us have experience of, I'm sure there were plenty of such incidents on his way up. And the racism that doen't speak its name, manifested in sniping about his every action or inaction, still persists.

Please give us examples of "incidents on his way up". I think you'll find that the majority of the "sniping about his every action or inaction" started when he decided to start his own personal crusade on the back of the BLM movement!

 

[Richiew]

Regardless of Lewis, I disliked Jaques Villeneuve at least an order of magnitude greater when he was in F1. He didn't pass the foxhole test, nevermind going for a pint. I know it is only a pleb's impression of someone on the telly but I really didn't take to that bloke. That takes some doing in my opinion. Trust and throwing etc....

 

[Screwdriver]

Please give us examples of "incidents on his way up".

Please don’t. There will be plenty of incidents for anyone who is “different” in a multitude of ways. That is human nature. Lewis has no doubt surmounted a huge number of barriers by sheer determination and a phenomenal level of skill.

But this is a F1 thread and the only reason we are not celebrating F1 here is because neither is Lewis.

 

[mangocrazy]

I haven't got a premeditated agenda so don't feel the need to look for something that isn't there. If you do want to look for something then you'll find it no matter what. I don't particularly like Andy Murray when lots of people do. If someone was to criticise Andy Murray (and lots of people do!) nobody has ever been accused of criticising him because he's white. Why when someone criticises Lewis Hamilton are they accused of doing it because he's not white?

I'm not saying that every criticism of LH is racially motivated. That would be ridiculous. But when you see a pattern of accusations where the sole intent is to discredit and vilify someone, then that gives you a clue as to the intentions. I'm not picking on anyone on this site with that remark, just an observation from consuming too much social media.

Why couldn't a white person fully comprehend it?

Do you know what it's like to be a woman? Do you know what it's like to be black or asian? Of course you don't. Your question tells me you really aren't getting this.

Lots of us have a circle of friends from all walks of life and feel offended by the suggestion were all racist without even knowing it by dint of being white! stating someone is doing something without them knowing they're doing it is stating an opinion that has no way of countering it?

If you wish to feel offended, that's your choice. I was suggesting that a lot of people display racist attitudes without really being aware of it or facing up to it. I've heard the phrase 'I'm not racist, but...' followed by a racist remark depressingly often.

Why is it not acceptable to group Asian people or black people together but it's acceptable to group white people together?

I didn't say it was, and there are @rseholes in all ethnic groups and all walks of life, just as there are lovely people in the same groups.

 

[Bullet2012]

This is pretty cool.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55289866

 

[eSCHEn]

This is a thread about about Romain Grosjean's fantastic escape but has drifted somewhat as threads are inclined to do.

Discussion about race is an emotive topic and whilst it is always warming to witness a cogent polemicist I think the racial part of this discussion is now complete. Please stop and keep to the sporting aspects of F1.

 

[Bullet2012]

I wonder how many more teams will end up going this route ? I know Willians have.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55292974

 

[Greeves246]

And some drivers are there because of the money they bring. Apparently Mazepin’s father could buy Mercedes several times over,
https://www.crash.net/f1/news/950185/1/mazepin-f1-test-omission-nothing-do-his-actions-wolff

 

[mangocrazy]

This is a thread about about Romain Grosjean's fantastic escape but has drifted somewhat as threads are inclined to do.

Discussion about race is an emotive topic and whilst it is always warming to witness a cogent polemicist I think the racial part of this discussion is now complete. Please stop and keep to the sporting aspects of F1.

Happy to comply.

 

[Bullet2012]

Well that was extremely boring

 

[brightspark]

Well that was extremely boring

wot was the posts or racing . wasnt there any crashes everyone loves a good crash as long as no ones hurt

 

[Parm]

Pit Straight at Silverstone is now the “Hamilton Straight”

 

[Bullet2012]

wot was the posts or racing . wasnt there any crashes everyone loves a good crash as long as no ones hurt

Not me, crashes are a waste of effort. I do however like good racing, that circuit just does not work.

 

[Bullet2012]

Pit Straight at Silverstone is now the “Hamilton Straight”

Going to be interesting to hear what Crofty has to say about your new sound system drowning out the cars next year @Parm

 

[ukracer]

Well that was extremely boring

Dead Rubbers are boring Abu Dhabi is boring most days.
Add to the fact that Perez car blew up early
Plus Mercs had turned their engines down and it suited everyone for Bottas to take second. And Lewis underestimated the effects of Covid

 

[ukracer]

Pit Straight at Silverstone is now the “Hamilton Straight”

No problems with that the guy has earnt that by his driving.

 

[ukracer]

wot was the posts or racing . wasnt there any crashes everyone loves a good crash as long as no ones hurt

Racing mate. There is very little due to the Aero and type of circuit at Abu Dhabi.

 

[ukracer]

Why does the Dutch National Anthem sound like an Xmas carol??

 

[jsf55]

Dead Rubbers are boring Abu Dhabi is boring most days.
Add to the fact that Perez car blew up early
Plus Mercs had turned their engines down and it suited everyone for Bottas to take second. And Lewis underestimated the effects of Covid

Nah ... team orders to ensure Bottas finished 2nd in championship