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Screwdriver
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I underestimated the size, 414kg is not going to be easy for me to move, especially during lock down.
It's 2400 x 1220 x 18 mm
next to this sign.
It is probably council owned land so calling them for permission would be a non starter.
Council property? Rocking up in a van to take those sheets would be theft. They look like road plates and they might even belong to the council!
Get in touch with the local envirocrime unit. They will probably be only too happy to allow you to help by disposing of it unless they are already aware of it and already have plans.
That is so true!Remember to wear hi viz. Nobody questions anyone in hi viz
Nice find, even "the metal recyclers" would struggle to shift those
It is an interesting point with the theft thing, if it was some plastic drums, plastic waste, bin bags with mucky nappies in, theft wouldn't even enter into peoples heads, but technically it is the same thing, same with the couple of tin cans analogy above. Stick some kind of predetermined but unspecified value on an item and it becomes theft in peoples eyes
It is an interesting point with the theft thing, if it was some plastic drums, plastic waste, bin bags with mucky nappies in, theft wouldn't even enter into peoples heads, but technically it is the same thing, same with the couple of tin cans analogy above. Stick some kind of predetermined but unspecified value on an item and it becomes theft in peoples eyes
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I hope that's an attempt at humour.
Who in their right mind would just dump obviously valuable plant? These plates used to go missing all the time when the local pikeys could just weigh them in no questions asked. Now they can't and without provenance, they have "no" value (despite being useful). They could be marked if they are council property or smart water tagged etc. Now the OP has pointed out the sign, it is more than likely they are being watched.
A question was asked about the legality of just taking them. The answer is, it is theft. If I thought I could get away with it and had the wherewithal, I'd have those like a shot so I am not being holier than thou. I don't think it would be that easy to get away with though so the sensible answer is to cover your back and get permission. Doesn't really matter who you get it from so long as you have reasonable grounds to believe they have the authority to accept responsibility. Your **** is covered...
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Skip diving is technically theft too I believe?
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Its a problem with everyday life people tend to pick and choose what bits of law, rules, legislation or codes of practices apply to suit themselves.
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Yes I do as it happens. There are several sites near me I frequent regularly, so much so that some of the local businesses have given me work off the back of my just being there and chatting.
If on the other hand I find one on the street at random, I will just dive in and steal from the rightful owner. See my "holler than thou" comment before jumping to conclusions. Common sense tells me they won't mind and "they" could be either the skip owner or the person who hired it. I will typically knock on a door first. One of my favourites is when I see tree surgeons working, there's always lumber to be had.
Found some interesting stuff on the side of the road recently and waited until I could ask the builders, they said, yeah that's fine and would you like some other goodies too!
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dont forget the pickup with stripes on the back and orange beacons on the top of the cab and motorway maintenance on the back window GO THE WHOLE HOGRemember to wear hi viz. Nobody questions anyone in hi viz
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Its a problem with everyday life people tend to pick and choose what bits of law, rules, legislation or codes of practices apply to suit themselves.
Do as I say, not do as I do.
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not this track u wouldn't il take a piccy if its still there
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Section 1 of the Theft Act 1968 provides the legal definition of theft.
1(1) A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it and 'thief' and 'steal' shall be construed accordingly.
1(2) It is immaterial whether the appropriation is made with a view to gain, or is made for the thief's own benefit.
1(1) A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it and 'thief' and 'steal' shall be construed accordingly.
1(2) It is immaterial whether the appropriation is made with a view to gain, or is made for the thief's own benefit.
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You’ve got this all back to front
What you should have done is hatched a plan, recovered the plates (some how), bought them back to your workshop then posted some pics of “look what I found” and then elaborate on how they were liberated
What you should have done is hatched a plan, recovered the plates (some how), bought them back to your workshop then posted some pics of “look what I found” and then elaborate on how they were liberated
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Aye thats the way to go mate. The fancy dress and the van hire companies could make a killing with a collaberation like that. Pikey pickup a full hi viz suit and a tank of red diesel for one and a half hundred for the weekend
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No, not really. I have no desire to argue with anyone today, tomorrow will be a different matter, but that will not be with you either.
I am trying to inject a bit of reality to the situation. Fly tipped rubbish is fly tipped rubbish, no matter what shape or form it takes. Stretching things a bit further, if the council cannot, generally, find the fly tippers how on earth can you be prosecuted for depriving someone of their rubbish.
This has been tested in law: If you, or I, put our bin out for collection it is perfectly alright for someone to go through it. Now we are on thin ice. What happens if, for instance, someone sees your bank account details and puts the paper back in the bin. Have they stolen that information if they retain memory of it? Apparently not under the theft act as you are not "permanently depriving" that person of that information, are you?
Well actually, it is not quite as clear cut as that either and quoting only parts of the theft act does not give a true picture otherwise we couldn't have council litterpickers now, could we? It is not as clear cut as is presented and each case will be different.
On the subject of yellow vests. At one of the clubs I am a member, we had the Pikeys roll up with signs, scaffold and yes, yellow vests. They spent two days stripping £38,000 worth of lead off the roof. We had to sell part of the land the club sits on in order to make good the repairs and pay the now astronomical insurance. So it just proves, that method works.
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I live near Dunfermline. If you need a hand to lift it into a trailer or the like give me a shout. If we could cut it down into manageable sizes* it would be doable.
I don't have a portable angle grinder but I do have a Hi viz vest and an innocent face
*2m lengths so we are still social distancing while holding either end.
I don't have a portable angle grinder but I do have a Hi viz vest and an innocent face
*2m lengths so we are still social distancing while holding either end.
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very sensible.
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Sorry but you are wrong and that even goes for anything I might store in a bin, be it "rubbish" or not. If it is not yours, you can't take it and assume ownership.
I have made the case for not just turning up in a van and stealing those road plates. Here it is again:
1. They might already have been stolen
2. They might be marked
3. The owners of the land may be watching (hidden CCTV due to flytipping)
4. You may be prosecuted for fly tipping
It's really that simple, if you do not own it, it is not yours. If it is not yours and you "take" it, that is theft.
I do it. I do it all the time. If I see something poking out of a skip I'm going to have it. If I can contact the owner that's great, if I can't that's theft.
We can assume neither type if owner could care less but here have been rare occasions when I have asked and been told no. Saw a load of old pine flooring had been ripped out of a house, asked for it and the builders said they were keeping it in the skip (on the driveway) before sorting it out for re-use.If it's on their driveway, I would be stealing from them, if it's on the side of the road, I am stealing from the skip company. Just because such behaviour is commonplace and morally respectable does not mean it is necessarily legal.
