What could they have done wrong? 300tdi timing

[armalites]

If you took a vehicle that was working fine to a garage to have the timing belt done then I don't think there is any need for discussion, you take it back and tell them to fix it end of.

 

[Ruffian]

And then stand there watching to make the tech feel quite nervous!!

 

[gordon stephenson]

Thanks for the memory 8ob. I recall making that flywheel tool, All simple stuff, but fool proof. (As with everything I will still have both pins in a "safe place"

 

[owas]

If you took a vehicle that was working fine to a garage to have the timing belt done then I don't think there is any need for discussion, you take it back and tell them to fix it end of.

Its annoying as ill be loosing money not being at work.
Ill check it through the injection pump cover as described above tomorow.

 

[armalites]

Pesronally I wouldn't have got more than 200yds before taking it back. It's them who has screwed it up and they should provide you with some transport while they fix it. Once you start tinkering then you may well lose any come back.

 

[8ob]

Thanks for the memory 8ob. I recall making that flywheel tool, All simple stuff, but fool proof. (As with everything I will still have both pins in a "safe place"

I bit the bullet and splashed out on the kit Gordon Franklin tools do the kit (£30 ish) and chuck in the gadget that holds the pump pulley in place so you can do a pump swap without pulling the timing cover off. I always take the rad out and use a 3/4 nut gun on the crank bolt, never fails. You need to get the bolt undone before fitting the crank pin.

 

[dazza]

He actually did say why haven't you done it yourself when he was looking at the engine conversion and all the other bits ive done.

I just figured id get it done properly once and not have to worry about it, that hasnt worked too well

I wouldn't let the local VW change my summer/winter floor mats. My cars in the shop at the moment being repaired after a bump they looked at me stupid when i told them not to wash it.

 

[Tinbasherdan]

Small inspection cover off the front of the timing chest cover, you have 3 10mm bolts and I think a 19. Slacken the three 10mm off, then with a bar on the big nut you have a couple degrees each way to fine tune pump timing . Nip the 3 up, and start it. If it runs worse, go the opposite way. Small adjustments are the key. Bit of trial and error will set you right.

No need to retime the whole thing

 

[Tinbasherdan]

What?

A bolt for the pump and another bolt for the camshaft really should be all you need. 12 pence.

If you really feel the need to keep the crank still (even though it just stays where it is when the others are in line) then a series reverse light switch works - screw it in, rotate crank until the switch clicks into the slot, done.

Not that you should be turning the crank with the belt off...


Oh, and crank pulley nut - put it in 4th gear, put the handbrake on an extra click and use a breaker (or maybe I just have superhuman strength...)

Crank pulley- take the wire off the stop solenoid, put a breaker bar on the nut and jam under chassis leg, then give it a quick tickle with the starter. Cracks them every time

 

[Robotstar5]

I wouldn't let the local VW change my summer/winter floor mats. My cars in the shop at the moment being repaired after a bump they looked at me stupid when i told them not to wash it.

Chap at work paid £400 to have his car detailed and told the garage not to wash it when it went in for a service, so they did, with the same bucket of water used on the previous few cars, he was not happy.

 

[dazza]

Chap at work paid £400 to have his car detailed and told the garage not to wash it when it went in for a service, so they did, with the same bucket of water used on the previous few cars, he was not happy.

I'm dreading picking it up.

 

[wristpin]

Remember seeing Ed China changing a belt by slitting the old belt with a craft knife right around its circumference leaving half in place to fix the timing, slipping on the new belt then cutting off the old one. Has anyone done that?

 

[Ruffian]

Chap at work paid £400 to have his car detailed and told the garage not to wash it when it went in for a service, so they did, with the same bucket of water used on the previous few cars, he was not happy.

My girlfriend worked on service desk at a big name German sports cat brand that begins with P and is similar to a beetle,

A couple of there customers would request ramps to detail the underside of there car after driving it in too the service so it was clean for the time the techs were working on them.

 

[Ruffian]

Remember seeing Ed China changing a belt by slitting the old belt with a craft knife right around its circumference leaving half in place to fix the timing, slipping on the new belt then cutting off the old one. Has anyone done that?

I've seen it done by my ex boss,
Was a proper eye opener, don't think I could try it myself.

 

[Robotstar5]

Remember seeing Ed China changing a belt by slitting the old belt with a craft knife right around its circumference leaving half in place to fix the timing, slipping on the new belt then cutting off the old one. Has anyone done that?

Seen Fuzz on "car sos" do the same

 

[owas]

Small inspection cover off the front of the timing chest cover, you have 3 10mm bolts and I think a 19. Slacken the three 10mm off, then with a bar on the big nut you have a couple degrees each way to fine tune pump timing . Nip the 3 up, and start it. If it runs worse, go the opposite way. Small adjustments are the key. Bit of trial and error will set you right.

No need to retime the whole thing

So, i need to set it to TDC using the notch on the flywheel and the mark,
Then remove the cover plate and see if the locking pin (drill bit) slots in, if it doesnt then rotate it till it does.

I know i should just let them deal with it, but if its that simple then ill just do it myself, itll save me the 70 odd quid in wages ill loose wasting time taking it back.

 

[The_Yellow_Ardvark]

Remember seeing Ed China changing a belt by slitting the old belt with a craft knife right around its circumference leaving half in place to fix the timing, slipping on the new belt then cutting off the old one. Has anyone done that?

Yes, a few times, not so easy when you have a tensioner. But On cars were you shift the water pump it is a peace of cake.

 

[Tinbasherdan]

So, i need to set it to TDC using the notch on the flywheel and the mark,
Then remove the cover plate and see if the locking pin (drill bit) slots in, if it doesnt then rotate it till it does.

I know i should just let them deal with it, but if its that simple then ill just do it myself, itll save me the 70 odd quid in wages ill loose wasting time taking it back.

Just pull the little plate off and tweak it , otherwise you’re going to have to drop the whole timing belt and start again. No need to line anything up, it’s a bit more of a rough and ready solution but if the pumps only just out then it’ll be ok.
If you do end up pulling the timing cover, check what crank timing pulley they used. The cheaper one has the lip spot welded to the pulley, these fail and wreck the belt pretty quickly, the better one is a one piece pulley

 

[doubleboost]

I do this for a living
The TDI is a fairly easy belt to do
2 pins and a crank locking tool
I always fit belt kits including water pumps if driven by the cam belt
I have locking kits for most of the popular engines as well as many homemade pins etc
Before removing any belt I always "tipex the pulleys"
Once the new kit/belt has been fitted the engine needs at least 2 complete turns by hand
The pins etc are then reinserted the tipex marks will be in line
Even after 40 years of changing belts I still get the funny feeling in the belly when starting them up

 

[dazza]

I do this for a living
Even after 40 years of changing belts I still get the funny feeling in the belly when starting them up

I know that feeling well get it every time i start the car lately.
Following online instructions i changed the cam belt in my mk5 golf brown trowser moment on start up she was running lumpy Dip stick was not in properly.