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[steve t]

My son in law is doing a website building course and wants to do one for me, for those of you with sites is it beneficial or a pita, also any links to your sites or any good welding fab sites for inspiration, I don't want nothing t fancy mind

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

Worthwhile. Gets me work and showcases my work.
Built from a joomla template and modified to suit. Took me a few weeks in the evenings to sort it. Once my fibre is installed next week I plan on revamping it.
Websites linked from private and business Facebook. On the business cards and letter heads. Without a digital presence I wouldn't be working. Www.cookscarpentry.Co.uk

 

[gaz1]

have a site to help others out though some may not like it here

our old site to aid others was closed down by the admin this was built to keep friends and important info for others to use

http://respectfulbenefits.forumotion.com/

though the site was free the name was quickly chosen the site format/template is free however you can change some things inside of it using template code

 

[RonA]

hi steve T,
I have built & currently maintain two site with a music theme.
Originally I built my first site from scratch using HTML coding but these days I use a program called Website plus. Using this program you build the site, using drag & drop principles & the program converts everything to the laborious & time consuming html code.
If your son in law is doing it the html coding route, he’s wasting his time, the new site builders are a shed load easier & quicker.
RonA

 

[ajlelectronics]

hi steve T,
I have built & currently maintain two site with a music theme.
Originally I built my first site from scratch using HTML coding but these days I use a program called Website plus. Using this program you build the site, using drag & drop principles & the program converts everything to the laborious & time consuming html code.
If your son in law is doing it the html coding route, he’s wasting his time, the new site builders are a shed load easier & quicker.
RonA

And incorporate all sorts of browser specific and scripting nonsense according to the fashion of the moment. Stick to plain old HTML, it will work on any platform.

 

[RonA]

But most of them (especially the free ones) generate really sloppy code - so the site can look great on your screen but a garbled mess on different browsers/platforms (and sometimes even a different resolution).

The skill is in using both a 'builder' and being able to proofread the code and spot errors.

Agree entirely, but life’s to short to code everything from scratch. I learnt 2CL CNC coding at college but I would doubt if anybody uses it today, in favour of higher languages.
The website builder I use is not free & even has a test function to assess how quickly the site will load. It advises on what to do if the download time is excessive.
RonA

 

[RonA]

And incorporate all sorts of browser specific and scripting nonsense according to the fashion of the moment. Stick to plain old HTML, it will work on any platform.

But plain old HTML is now upto version 5, everything moves on.
RonA

 

[MoreWellie]

HTML is now upto version 5

it is but that only gives lots of additional commands which you can use but don't have to although some of them would be useful

in other words all the old html bits still work just fine and are easy to craft

if you aren't bothered about the latest/whizziest editor then you can download expression web 4 for free from microsoft https://www.microsoft.com/expression/eng/ I use this to develop and maintain a few websites

 

[MattF]

But plain old HTML is now upto version 5, everything moves on.
RonA

That's just enhanced HTML. Still readily codeable by hand. As mentioned, the WYSIWYG editors generally create crappy, bloated code, which rarely works passably in anything other than the main browsers.

 

[RonA]

Doubtless there are still a few programmers out there working in machine code to get the ultimate compact code, probably just about finished their first program after 20 years slaving over a hot keyboard.
RonA

 

[steve t]

Is it for business or fun?

buissiness, self employed fabricator.

 

[MoreWellie]

Doubtless there are still a few programmers out there working in machine code to get the ultimate compact code, probably just about finished their first program after 20 years slaving over a hot keyboard.

been there, done that, cannot say I enjoyed it but it was what was necessary at the time

to come back to the original point. You can use all sorts of tools to generate a website for your business but the main thing is the content and presentation

Make sure it looks good and it tells people why they should pick up the phone and ring you (or email/fill your contact form in)

If the website works it doesn't matter how it was developed it is the content and presentation that will win you business

Edit: when the website is done try viewing it using as many different browsers/devices as you can to make sure it works everywhere (including phones)

 

[MattF]

Doubtless there are still a few programmers out there working in machine code to get the ultimate compact code, probably just about finished their first program after 20 years slaving over a hot keyboard.
RonA

Quite the opposite. There are a multitude of coders out there, coding away daily. Where do you think your browser, OS and every other programme you use originate? Those programmers/coders whom you seem intent on scorning make your online and home life exist as it does. Hand written code is in everything society takes for granted, these days. There are also a very large number of HTML, CSS, javascript, perl, python, PHP etc. coders working daily to create what you see online. Also, how do you think those HTML editors which you seem to adore are created; By Witchcraft?

 

[MattF]

It's not all about download time though.

I used to use dreamweaver (far from free) and on an average page we still used to strip out 10-20% of the code it put in, not so it downloaded faster but so that it rendered properly in all the browsers we had access to.

Then there's also rendering times/load etc. The reason why tables are relegated to use specifically for tabular data rather than layout, these days, wherever possible.

 

[rtcosic]

Www.cookscarpentry.Co.uk

Good looking site with a very useful Gallery of past work - but when you do your revamp please eliminate the 'Grocer's Apostrophes' - a pet hate of mine. Site doesn't indicate your preferred geographical area. Does that result in enquiries that you have to decline?

Kitchen's & Bathroom's

Renovation's & Remodeling

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

Good looking site with a very useful Gallery of past work - but when you do your revamp please eliminate the 'Grocer's Apostrophes' - a pet hate of mine. Site doesn't indicate your preferred geographical area. Does that result in enquiries that you have to decline?

Kitchen's & Bathroom's

Renovation's & Remodeling

Thanks and noted for my revamp.
Re location I've only recieved intrest from within my area. Location is mentioned within the site description I belive and search engines seem to pick up on it. Last I looked a lot of the traffic came from Google places and Facebook.
It was built in a hurry got to a functional point and abandoned. Rolled forward starting my company by 8 months after falling out with the Contractor I was subbing for.

Not keen on the drop down menus they misbehave on the mobile site
Any other input welcome. Gonna give it some attention soon especially seo.
Made a website from code years back with help from a few savvy mates but didn't have the time to relearn this time around so took the easy option.
Heard WordPress is a better option for seo than joomla

 

[daedalusminos]

My son in law is doing a website building course and wants to do one for me, for those of you with sites is it beneficial or a pita, also any links to your sites or any good welding fab sites for inspiration, I don't want nothing t fancy mind

I'd say a website is 100% beneficial but don't forget that to get the most out of it you need to maintain it - update photos, new products etc etc. It'll be a pain if you need to rely on someone else to maintain it

Take your time deciding on a domain name. Think of that as your house and the website as the decor/furniture in it.

Then there's cost. Will he be creating it for free? Domain names are relatively cheap approx £5-10/year but you need somewhere to host it - it may be that your son in law has shared hosting or rents a server but there will be some cost associated with that (I pay £100/yr for 5 websites).

Don't forget that building good websites from scratch is not just about coding, you need to be creative as well - those website builders help you with this by supplying templates and although they've received bad comments, they're not bad value for approx £5/month all included and they're easy to maintain.

 

[Dieselman 63]

Worthwhile. Gets me work and showcases my work.
Built from a joomla template and modified to suit. Took me a few weeks in the evenings to sort it. Once my fibre is installed next week I plan on revamping it.
Websites linked from private and business Facebook. On the business cards and letter heads. Without a digital presence I wouldn't be working. Www.cookscarpentry.Co.uk

Not so elusive now you're linking your personal website eh?

Looks cool and some very nice work on there too.

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

Not so elusive now you're linking your personal website eh?

Looks cool and some very nice work on there too.

Haha. That nick appeared in the mid 90s when I first ventured into online gaming. Wanted to play midtown madness and Microsofts portal at the time offered suggestions. It stuck. Used throughout my clan days and forums to date.

 

[Dieselman 63]

Haha. That nick appeared in the mid 90s when I first ventured into online gaming. Wanted to play midtown madness and Microsofts portal at the time offered suggestions. It stuck. Used throughout my clan days and forums to date.

Same here really, a username I used on Medal of Honor AA to play online (Stalingrad, what a level!), recycled on forums and here I am today. Midtown Madness, there's a blast from the past.