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The 3.5 t limit is for the car, not the "train" unless you only have a B license.And what if the car trailer weighs 1000kg as many do?
The 3.5 t limit is for the car, not the "train" unless you only have a B license.And what if the car trailer weighs 1000kg as many do?
Ah sorry yes.I think the question related to having a 2,700kg vehicle loaded onto a 1,000kg trailer - nothing to do with the car hooked to the front.
The 3.5 t limit is for the car, not the "train" unless you only have a B license.
lots of vehicles have no markings on the plate
Neither have lots of LR discoveries and they come with towbars already fitted !! and are designed for 6220 gtw.
but have no gtw on the plate or the v5
I have rang .gov and enquired as to the legality of this, they told me they could not answer over the phone so have emailed .gov regarding this question .
and will post their reply
something I have just seen ??
HUM It will be listed in the owner’s manual
does'nt say HAVE to be on weight plate says normally and may
I do realise that it does state elsewhere on .gov that if its not stamped there you cant
but once again they do not have it, made clear.
Dear Mr XXXX
Thank you for your email dated 29 December to our IVS (International Vehicle Standards) enquiries inbox. I have been asked to reply.
Unfortunately there is no easy answer to this.
If the vehicle has no Gross Combination Weight (GCW) or Gross Training weight (GTW) on the plate/label then there is a risk that you may be stopped by the police for operating unsafely – towing a load which is unsafe.
You may like to cover yourself by obtaining evidence that the vehicle is capable of a particular weight. E.g. by contacting the manufacturer of the vehicle in writing and explain to them that you wish to fit a tow bar and ask them what they believe the towing weight should be.
You could also contact DVSA in writing with the registration and VIN number to see if when the vehicle was approved under IVA, it was allocated a GCW. It is possible that this vehicle was only approved on the basis it did not tow. Some vehicles were required to have a label added, but this may have been taken off.
Yours sincerely
James Brown
Department for Transport
Dear Mr XXXXX
Further to our email of 4 December, I am now in a position to respond. Thank you for
your patience. One of our heavy vehicle process managers has provided the following
information.
Custom and practice has been to allow a vehicle without a GTW/GCW marked on the
manufacturer’s plate to tow trailers, provided the GVW on the plate is not exceeded.
Typically, this has been applied to buses which generally are not given train weight on
their manufacturer’s plate but sometimes have a 3.5 tonne towball fitted. However
recently we have become aware of some vehicles that have deliberately not been
given a train weight because when towing a trailer they exceed the reference weight
related to their emissions limits.
As a result of that they cannot legally tow any trailer. The vehicles particularly affected
are usually passenger cars, required to have type-approved tow bars by C &U
regulation 86B. However passenger cars, although often having manufacturer’s plates
resembling those required by C & U reg 66, are not required to display any such plate.
It is irrelevant, therefore whether any weights or lack of weights shown on them are
legally binding for overloading or other enforcement actions. It would also depend on
what type of bodywork was fitted to a Chrysler Colorado/ Isuzu Rodeo as to whether it
was considered as a car or a goods vehicle.
In terms of regulations part I of Schedule 8 of C & U, relative to the content of a
manufacturer’s plate for a goods vehicle or bus says in the list of information required
to be provided at item 8 Maximum Train Weight with a note (d). That note (d) says this
item need not be completed if the vehicle is not constructed to draw a trailer; the
converse implication is that this must be completed when the vehicle is a goods
vehicle or bus and is constructed to draw a trailer, so strictly speaking fitting a tow bar
and not amending the manufacturer’s plate to show a GTW (even if the same as the
GVW) is not lawful.
It seems that if another apparently identical vehicle does show a GTW that it would
make no difference. It is still a RTA offence of not complying with a C&U requirement ,
though whether the offence is under s.41B (Breach of requirement as to any
description of weight applicable to a goods vehicle or bus) or s.42 (breach of other C
&U requirements than brakes, steering gear, tyres or weights) we are unable to
comment. You may wish to seek legal advice.
Yours sincerely
Kirsty Miah
Corporate Reputation | Public Liaison Team
I hope people are still interested in this.
Dragging this up from the depths as I have recently been looking at this in depth. I and a client both contacted different gov depts re the issue of no GTW = no tow.
Both of us have had a similar reply that confirms that for "most" situations that is correct.
I will cover the exemption first.
If you have a bus/lorry plated to say 16000kg MAM but actually weighs 12000kg fully loaded then it can tow up to the MAM weight even with no GTW on the plate. That is why the guidance site is loosely worded & does not say you can not do it as in some situations it is possible.
For Cat B vehicles there is no exemption for no GTW even for imports.
My clients reply
This is quite weak in its information.
My reply came from DVSA Corporate Reputation Dept
On first reading it did look like there was a small hole but on re reading it. They are def saying its not allowed but not sure which rule would be the one they nick you for.
The vehicles particularly affected are usually passenger cars, required to have type-approved tow bars by C &U regulation 86B.
However recently we have become aware of some vehicles that have deliberately not been given a train weight because when towing a trailer they exceed the reference weight related to their emissions limits.
As a result of that they cannot legally tow any trailer.
possibly wont have that filled in, mine isnt on a 96I will look under the bonnet later
On first reading it did look like there was a small hole but on re reading it. They are def saying its not allowed but not sure which rule would be the one they nick you for.
Oh yes I am !I hope people are still interested in this
There are no weights on my VIN plate, there’s spaces but no numbers
Odd really as it’s not an import and has a factory tow bar
A lot of discos are like thatOdd really as it’s not an import and has a factory tow bar
exactly like mine.Nuffink
Just revenue weight 2880kg gross
might be better to not in actual fact.Stamp whatever you want in then