Titanic

[Mee]

Well, that and the fact there's another shedload of evidence against the conspiracy theory (See the above links, plus plenty more easily found, a lot of which are backed up by actual peer reviewed papers and not written in crayon) and none actually for it. Given that state of affairs my money is on it being 99.9% certain it IS Titanic, and a slim possibility it might be otherwise, unless you have some other evidence?

Why would I need to provide anything? again its your usual deflection of anything which doesn't agree with your opinion. There's shedloads of evidence from both/all sides of the debate and many of other opinions can be readily and easily debunked as most of it is opinion. Take your own quote "a lot of which are backed up by actual peer reviewed papers" so what is a peer reviewed paper? oh yes another opinion and little more, where facts and opinion are manipulated to a particular view or opinion, nothing more.

If we look at the alleged find by Bob Ballard, it was Ballard himself who openly admits the wreck had been robbed so he, by his own admission claims to be the first to find the wreck and openly admits he couldn't have been because it had already been robbed so he couldn't have been the first there as the those robbing were, and we don't know how many other groups had robbed it, or attempted to rob it.
We have claims (which again cannot be confirmed or denied) that blasting had occurred, and that the ship was carrying a large quantity of gold. This in itself would be sufficient reason for almost any Government or large corporation to fund a project to retrieve the gold she was carrying, and documentation has been produced showing she was carrying gold, yet the original manifest showed it wasn't carrying gold so which ones are correct and which are forgeries.

People can debate and speculate theories, and blasting alone along with the natural deterioration will render most alleged evidence as nothing more than speculation as the evidence most needed to prove or disprove a theory is lost and has been for many years.

I will remain open minded until something of significance is produced.

 

[1192simon]

I read somewhere that Jacques Cousteau owned an island near the Britannic and that once sport diving her became feasible it was very soon discovered that the ship's bell was missing...

As you say, no international law to stop it (Ballard's crew placed a plaque on the big T that politely asked future visitors to leave her alone but being brass it was probably robbed by some thieving ocean gyppos ) - I think the thing that gets people annoyed is that until recently the sinking was within living memory; with, say, an ancient Greek galleon the plundering is the same but somehow it becomes 'marine archaeology'

Ocean Gyppos Ahh Ha Ha .. Quality..

 

[The_Yellow_Ardvark]

Dr R Ballard found the RMS Titanic, he only took away pictures and videos of the wreck.

Jack Grimm led expeditions to the site a removed a selection artefacts from the debris field, since then a lot more people have removed more from the wreck itself.

Ballard filmed the ships name, ships anchors what the serial number was still visible. He has even. like many others have bean on camera, even under oath that it is the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean.

Under oath in a international court to define who owns the wreck, under international law of the sea.

So if it is not the titanic what ship got dismantled in Jarrow in 1937? were they were openly selling Olympic remains and mechanical parts. One of her triple expansion engines and steam generators and 3 single end boilers went on to provide power for the Jarrow Dismantling yard.

As the Titanic fixtures and fixings have a yard number cast stamped and in other ways permantly marked with her yard number 401, why are the parts lifted up have that number on them.

Recently they have recovered some leather mail bags and in them found mail with Titanic mail stamp on them. A mail stamp onlt issued to that mail ship.

 

[CompoSimmonite]

OT but it amazes me that there are plans to send a manned mission to Mars yet we haven't yet explored the oceans of our own planet. It took 73 years to find the Titanic so I wonder what other marvels are yet to be discovered

 

[daleyd]

A peer reviewed paper is the generally accepted scientific method of having your work scrutinised - the other option is to just throw a few theories around and say " it must be true because I said so".

There isn't really much evidence for the theory that it's another ship that I can find, (a theory is not evidence by the way), but there is, as pointed out above quite a bit to prove that it is titanic, but whatever you want to believe it's up to you. As you rightly say it's quite hard to believe incredible stories without any proof

 

[Tinbasherdan]

OT but it amazes me that there are plans to send a manned mission to Mars yet we haven't yet explored the oceans of our own planet. It took 73 years to find the Titanic so I wonder what other marvels are yet to be discovered

Hasn't here been more men on the moon than at the bottom of the ocean ? Watched a documentary the other day on a Japanese professor who has spent the last 30 years looking for giant squid, and finally found one something like 650m down. Was amazing

 

[The_Yellow_Ardvark]

@Tinbasherdan

Now. Now Mr Dan, you should know better than to make remarks like that, with out links or pictures.
We all know the moon landings were filmed, East Of Ealing. Loch Ness Monster is real and crop circles are made by little green men from Mars.

 

[Mee]

A peer reviewed paper is the generally accepted scientific method of having your work scrutinised - the other option is to just throw a few theories around and say " it must be true because I said so".

How true, but the methodology of scrutinising the work done is by more hypothesis and more theories which just muddies the waters.

 

[daleyd]

How true, but the methodology of scrutinising the work done is by more hypothesis and more theories which just muddies the waters.

Do you propose a better method

Just so that we can let those scientists at cern know they're doing it wrong.

 

[Omniata]

Do you propose a better method

Just so that we can let those scientists at cern know they're doing it wrong.

 

[Tigman]

@Tinbasherdan

Now. Now Mr Dan, you should know better than to make remarks like that, with out links or pictures.
We all know the moon landings were filmed, East Of Ealing. Loch Ness Monster is real and crop circles are made by little green men from Mars.

i found a Crap Circle in my garden this afternoon bloody neighbours cats !

 

[addjunkie]

Hasn't here been more men on the moon than at the bottom of the ocean ? Watched a documentary the other day on a Japanese professor who has spent the last 30 years looking for giant squid, and finally found one something like 650m down. Was amazing

Having spent a fair bit of time watching video footage from rovs of the sea bed at depths around 2000 feet id suggest there is all sorts down there we dont know about. What we do know about down there is only because some clever barsteward built submarines and rovs.

Its bloody dark down there see through fish and stuff