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Crack on then, I'm up for it.
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Goodnight would be good.
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Look mate, if you want a debate or argument then I'll stand toe-to-toe with you but for someone who is trying to portray himself as some kind of respected and unquestionable, H&S expert then you're being extremely judgemental and puerile. You stated that you see this sort of attitude in the workplace? Well I'm not surprised if this is the format of your presentations!
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That aimed at me?
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i thought we were having a debate here, you stated something which I'm trying to demonstrate is factually incorrect and your not prepared to have it any other way. Like others sometimes do on here I just gave you some of my credentials that I feels allows me to give advice with some degree of authority. Read through the posts, I haven't judged anyone or thing and DEFINATELY not been puerile.
Clearly it may appear that you might not like it when your wrong and it was to this I made the reference about what I see in my work, people that aren't prepared to accept that a situation may be different from what they know.
Change is one of the most difficult things to implement/effect and this is a classic example
And have you read the last para on page two of the link I provided in post 14 ?
Clearly it may appear that you might not like it when your wrong and it was to this I made the reference about what I see in my work, people that aren't prepared to accept that a situation may be different from what they know.
Change is one of the most difficult things to implement/effect and this is a classic example
And have you read the last para on page two of the link I provided in post 14 ?
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Yes I've read it, particularly the part where they state that the problem with filters is that they become saturated and ineffective after a period of time, which is why air fed is the preferred option. I'm afraid that 3M DO produce filters that can be used with Isocyanates but due to our H&S legislation they will not recommend them for the workplace as there is no guarantee of them being changed as recommended to avoid saturation, a problem that is overcome by air fed respiration as long as the system is kept scrupulously maintained (oil in breathable air is just as hazardous to health).
You got my back up by rudely telling me that I should not advise on what I don't know WITHOUT knowing not a jot about my background and that your advice should be rigidly adhered to because of your training, next time, take a more diplomatic approach and notice the response that you receive in return.
You got my back up by rudely telling me that I should not advise on what I don't know WITHOUT knowing not a jot about my background and that your advice should be rigidly adhered to because of your training, next time, take a more diplomatic approach and notice the response that you receive in return.
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While filters are available for use with Isocyanates, this does not help the OP as they only offer protection when used with Isocyanates containing paints, when the application method is brush or roller. Once atomized the only option is air fed mask.
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Air fed is the recommended option to comply with current legislation, it is not the only option as there are filters that will provide protection against inhalation of Isocyanates BEFORE they become saturated, infact there are filters that can provide protection from just about any known hazard including biological and chemical in the form of nerve agents!
In The form of brush and rollable paint there is actually no breathing hazard from them and masking up is deemed unnecessary, the hazard in this case is from ingestion and skin contact!
In The form of brush and rollable paint there is actually no breathing hazard from them and masking up is deemed unnecessary, the hazard in this case is from ingestion and skin contact!
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Clearly your not one to be changed. You use what ever filters you want but don't advise the other members here about filters.
No more point in banging my head against a brick wall as there are no filters that will prevent a head ache.
No more point in banging my head against a brick wall as there are no filters that will prevent a head ache.
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My last post on this, once the application method is spray (even HVLP) the saturation levels are almost instantaneous.
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Jeez this thread is a bit of a train crash isn't it? You come onto the forum asking for advice, not if you already know the answer and then stay to fight your corner. Sounds like you need to use your filtered masks and then find out what happens - 2K is scary stuff, and people on here are only trying to help steer you away from screwing up your lungs.
I myself haven't used the stuff but I have skimped on safety gear twice - once I didn't wear goggles while shaving paint age 12, when one of the curls ended up in my eye and was a right pain to get out, the other time I didn't wear gloves using a wire brush wheel and got my finger too close. Both these circumstances were avoidable but thankfully didn't cause long-lasting injury. If someone - expert or not, says you need to be careful using something you can't see or smell but that can cause you serious harm, then I would take that advice.
There's really nothing more to say than that.
I myself haven't used the stuff but I have skimped on safety gear twice - once I didn't wear goggles while shaving paint age 12, when one of the curls ended up in my eye and was a right pain to get out, the other time I didn't wear gloves using a wire brush wheel and got my finger too close. Both these circumstances were avoidable but thankfully didn't cause long-lasting injury. If someone - expert or not, says you need to be careful using something you can't see or smell but that can cause you serious harm, then I would take that advice.
There's really nothing more to say than that.
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There you go again!!
And why not? Just because you don't agree? Can you not get it into your head that there are filters available that can safely be used within their limits?
Take some of your own advice as its clear that it is yourself that refuses to accept a change in your own established views despite anything to the contrary, your view is belt and braces, that's fine but don't try to dismiss anything else as ludicrous or inconceivable!
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Sorry mate that's just not true, it's hours in open air but far quicker in an enclosed area.
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Stop throwing your toys out of the pram. These are not my views. It's advice I'm referencing too that has been published by multiple agencies, which other members seem to understand but you don't.
You posted something about protection about all hazards including nerve agents which I can see any more, has it been deleted ???
Clearly you seem to be an authority on this subject, but I'll choose to ignore your on this topic
But do tell me, do you work for 3M or another respirator manufacturer ???
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You refer to yourself I assume?
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