The end of machining and welding?

[Screwdriver]

Haha, yes the march of progress. In the real, physical world, your hard earned skills will be valuable for some time before you are replaced by a robot. Robots are expensive.…

AI on the other hand is an entirely different kettle of fish and is set to replace an entire tranche of the job market. Not replacing existing jobs per se but more likely competing with existing services. AI is now smarter than any human so it’s not exactly going to be a fair competition! (I’ll take this to the other thread).

As for me, my demonstrable expertise is in television. I cannot begin to tell you how amazing the technology was that squeezed colour into a single radio signal. The complexities are immense. There is some crossover with RGB processing, YUV encoding and the maths that make it all work (or that you needed to know when it suddenly doesn’t). That is all gone now. Analog is dead. To this day, I have yet to see anything in Curry’s which is anywhere near as realistic as a properly calibrated broadcast quality monitor. Admittedly, you’d need a team of four using scaffold poles to move such a beast and the screen would be tiny by todays “standards“ (such as they are).

But this is ‘progress’ and that’s what we’re here for right…

 

[ukracer]

Agreed , look at the percentage of annual income cost for cars back in the 60's & 70's against a similar sized new car of today .

Which way is it? It feels like they have got vastly more expensive.

 

[ukracer]

Phill , touted not flouted ????
Universal income , why has it not carried on .. somebody has to earn the money to pay for it perhaps ? People will always find something to do , albeit for most of the time at lesser rewards for many but that's the sub class they seem to willingly settle into .

But those with the most money have not earned it.

 

[DAPPH]

But those with the most money have not earned it.

Try telling that to the guys who worked for 18 hours months at a time , every waking moment thinking & eating their way of making money . Nephew is a genuine multi millionaire, the hours he put in at UNI and on computers developing programmes was astounding ..to me he thoroughly deserved every penny he's made for him to retire at 50 whilst he's still young enough to enjoy it and his family .

 

[PhillipM]

Phill , touted not flouted ????
Universal income , why has it not carried on .. somebody has to earn the money to pay for it perhaps ? People will always find something to do , albeit for most of the time at lesser rewards for many but that's the sub class they seem to willingly settle into .

Generally ends up costing less than the benefits and jobcentre payment system anywhere it's been trialed because it cuts down on a lot of red tape and also simplifies taxes for a lot of low earners that wouldn't pay much anyway.

 

[DAPPH]

Which way is it? It feels like they have got vastly more expensive.

IIRC it took almost 58 weeks average income to buy a car in the 50's , now it more like 30 weeks or less for an equivalent due to factories mechanizing and using robots .

 

[ukracer]

Try telling that to the guys who worked for 18 hours months at a time , every waking moment thinking & eating their way of making money . Nephew is a genuine multi millionaire, the hours he put in at UNI and on computers developing programmes was astounding ..to me he thoroughly deserved every penny he's made for him to retire at 50 whilst he's still young enough to enjoy it and his family .

There are obviously exceptions.
There are people with way more than a few million. Which was the people my comments were referencing.
That said computing is one area with a massive spread of earning potential .
You need luck to go with the 18 hours a day plus ability. Many people working 18 hours a day have neither.

Work is relative though. The main point is being paid x per hour even with an 18 hour day only gets you do much.
The part your nephew has is business where someone wants or needs what he is able to produce. For everyone of your nephew there are 1000's who were not 'able" to cash in on the perfect storm.

 

[DAPPH]

Generally ends up costing less than the benefits and jobcentre payment system anywhere it's been trialed because it cuts down on a lot of red tape and also simplifies taxes for a lot of low earners that wouldn't pay much anyway.

Not so sure of that we have a universal income by way of benefits to those that are able to command them .

I found this interesting and informative . I wouldn't want to fund free loaders out of my pocket to stay on benefit for life and not do anything to improve their lot and put some thig back into society .

Three reasons universal basic income pilots haven’t led to policy change – despite their success

Challenges in evidence, long-term planning and public understanding mean that universal basic income has become easier said than done.

theconversation.com

 

[DAPPH]

There are obviously exceptions.
There are people with way more than a few million. Which was the people my comments were referencing.
That said computing is one area with a massive spread of earning potential .
You need luck to go with the 18 hours a day plus ability. Many people working 18 hours a day have neither.

Work is relative though. The main point is being paid x per hour even with an 18 hour day only gets you do much.
The part your nephew has is business where someone wants or needs what he is able to produce. For everyone of your nephew there are 1000's who were not 'able" to cash in on the perfect storm.

Read about why they called golfer Arnold Palmer " Lucky Palmer ". his reply was usually " I guess hitting eight or nine thousand balls every day made me lucky ". There a story in there if you bother to think about it .

 

[ukracer]

Read about why they called golfer Arnold Palmer " Lucky Palmer ". his reply was usually " I guess hitting eight or nine thousand balls every day made me lucky ". There a story in there if you bother to think about it .

For every Arnold Palmer there are thousands and thousands who could hit 10000 balls a day and still not achieve what he did.
I spent many many many years playing snooker and my highest break is still only 43.
He was most certainly lucky that he found what he was good at in a period he could take the opportunity.

The problem with debates about excelling and luck is without doubt you have to have luck to achieve in life. But that does not mean everyone who has not been lucky is jealous any more than those in receipt of benefits are all freeloaders.

 

[PhillipM]

I found this interesting and informative . I wouldn't want to fund free loaders out of my pocket to stay on benefit for life and not do anything to improve their lot and put some thig back into society .

You already do. Just with a lot more red tape and waste.

 

[Screwdriver]

The harder I work, the luckier I get, as I used to say to Samuel Goldwyn...

 

[skotl]

I remember when this thread was about 3D printing with metal

 

[Screwdriver]

I remember when this thread was about 3D printing with metal

Your memory is failing you, read the thread title again.

 

[ukracer]

I remember when this thread was about 3D printing with metal

You forgot which forum you are on? Lol

 

[cr500dom]

Yes it will mean the end of machining etc. In the same why that CDs killed vinyl stone dead.

No it wont, because the Additive technology is nowhere near accurate enough to deliver the limits and fits required, let alone a machined surface finish.
Where is comes into its own is complex geometries and difficult materials.
Its more a risk to things like investment casting than machining.
Inconel, scandium type Alloys, Titanium Alloys, Zirconium Alloys, all stuff that is challenging to process in conventional ways, especially for small batches.

We have a collaborator who have just bought an Additive metal machine, its an expensive machine, and an expensive process.
But no where near as expensive as the 4`square x 6` thick billet of titanium to machine down into a 20mm thick joining ring and the rest ending up scrapped.
This way, they only lay down the material they need and then machine to size.
No lead time on the billets
Less wear on the tooling (As they are removing minimal material)
less waste
less cost.

Additive manufacturing is only another tool in the arsenal, its not a magic wand

 

[Greeves246]

Yes it will mean the end of machining etc. In the same why that CDs killed vinyl stone dead.

Wrong. Vinyl outsells CDs.

Vinyl overtakes CD sales for the first time since 1987

You can tell your dad that his record collection is officially cool now.

www.theverge.com