dan.taylor.1
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Where abouts are you located? I've got a parts car here in Cumbria with I think an OK rear subframe
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My bike was heavily modified. Power increased by more than double, swingarm cut and extended, big turbo, intercooler, brakes modified to suit, lock-up clutch , awhole additional injection system and fuelling computer, second radiator fitted for the charge cooler. All done at home in my garden shed. All declared in an 8 page document to the insurers who did NOT require any inspection report for legal reasons or any other reason. All they required is that it hold a current MOT.
So no, there's no legal ramifications from making modifications so long as the workmanship is good and there's no requirement to get a report from anyone as to the suitability or safety of such modifications (good luck getting one of those anyway from anyone except the person that did it). I had a list of restrictions of use applied to the policy plus an annual mileage limit but other than that they were happy and the only comments I ever got from traffic were entirely complimentary.
So no, there's no legal ramifications from making modifications so long as the workmanship is good and there's no requirement to get a report from anyone as to the suitability or safety of such modifications (good luck getting one of those anyway from anyone except the person that did it). I had a list of restrictions of use applied to the policy plus an annual mileage limit but other than that they were happy and the only comments I ever got from traffic were entirely complimentary.
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Excellent.
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You might want to contact the insurance co's and tell them to get their houses in order and stop spreading FUD then.
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I sense the presence of 
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.......Declare the mods and you are covering your own bum if you end up upside down in the front garden of the local primary school, having narrowly missed Class 1A Covid briefing in the playground 
Don't declare them, and you might/probably be okay . . .
Some insurers cover modified cars, some don't. Some require an engineers report . . . luckily I'm a BEng . . . and my My CEng mate
- as simple as "I've taken a look at the following modifications, and in my opinion, they have been carried out in a well-thought out and professional manner" . . .
However, I would be a little concerned out the 15mm difference in pick up points for suspension arms - that can make quite a difference in suspension behaviour - any idea if the arms, or the hubs/upright have a change too to make proper use of the difference? Its not a simple 15mm ride height change from the sounds of it (ie something that happens when your two pleasantly plump mates get in the back seat), but a 15mm difference in suspension pick-up points on one part - that could mean the difference from little or no camber change or bump-steer, to quite considerable change or steering effect, due to how the arcs of the suspension arms interact.
In normal use, you might not notice - or you might notice a funny squirming from the rear over bumps . . . or a 70mph lane change on a wet motorway, on your part worn tyres, you might notice rather more . . .
If the whole shebang is shifted 15mm, ie all mounts have shifted the same amount, then you'd probably not notice for all the reasons others have mentioned.
Any owners forums where people might know a little better?
Don't declare them, and you might/probably be okay . . .
Some insurers cover modified cars, some don't. Some require an engineers report . . . luckily I'm a BEng . . . and my My CEng mate
- as simple as "I've taken a look at the following modifications, and in my opinion, they have been carried out in a well-thought out and professional manner" . . . However, I would be a little concerned out the 15mm difference in pick up points for suspension arms - that can make quite a difference in suspension behaviour - any idea if the arms, or the hubs/upright have a change too to make proper use of the difference? Its not a simple 15mm ride height change from the sounds of it (ie something that happens when your two pleasantly plump mates get in the back seat), but a 15mm difference in suspension pick-up points on one part - that could mean the difference from little or no camber change or bump-steer, to quite considerable change or steering effect, due to how the arcs of the suspension arms interact.
In normal use, you might not notice - or you might notice a funny squirming from the rear over bumps . . . or a 70mph lane change on a wet motorway, on your part worn tyres, you might notice rather more . . .
If the whole shebang is shifted 15mm, ie all mounts have shifted the same amount, then you'd probably not notice for all the reasons others have mentioned.
Any owners forums where people might know a little better?
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I am in the sunny town of Irvine, Ayrshire. Cumbria not a million miles away, I may be headed to Blackburn to look at another Freelander soon, as after a good needle gunning this one has grown a few holes... May still need a frame though, pm me details
In terms of the insurance I understand where folk are coming from. I built a 16v k series mini about 10 years ago and that included heavy subframe modification!
At the risk of adding fuel to the fire I made a jig, burnt the centre's out the old bushes, bolted them into the freelander frame and welded box between them.
Transferred those suspension points to the Evoque frame.
Interestingly the track is a whole 3mm wider.
Height difference confirmed at 16mm, all angles and positions otherwise spot on.
did some simple maths, I'll even show my working.
Assuming with the stock frame the arms are level at rest. Evoque frame will pull the wheels in 0.31mm, but push them out 1.5mm (track) so 1.19mm total per side... Freelander and Evoque use the same arms btw.
Very roughly estimated the change in camber by taking a stock camber of -1.95° say bottom link to strut top is 350mm (be bigger than this but this will give a more extreme change)
Works out 11.9mm to center line.
Add 1.19mm for 13.09mm.. plug those numbers in the camber is changed to a whole -2.14° well within the +-0.75 spec
Yes the arc will be changed, I could be wildly off on my reasoning for the above figures, someone might dob me into the cops and I'll end up in the jail. But unless anyone has any facts or figures to the contrary I think it's worth a try?
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You might want to contact the insurance co's and tell them to get their houses in order and stop spreading FUD then.
11 things that could impact your car insurance - Admiral.com
So you don't lose out if you do get into an accident or need to make a claim, here are 11 things which could impact your car insurance.What can invalidate car insurance? | AA Insurance
Having void car insurance can easily happen. Here's the need to know so you're not left without insurance or a claim pay out.Accidentally invalidate your car insurance | RAC Drive
How could you invalidate your insurance? To help keep you covered, here’s our guide to the behaviour that could leave you driving without insurance.What can invalidate your car insurance policy?
Don’t invalidate your car insurance policy. Find out the most common ways drivers invalidate their car insurance.
I don't need to. All of those links say it COULD invalidate your insurance. You're comment was that it WILL. I even qualified my response with:
TBH I don't know what else ayone would expect an insurer to say, they are hardly likely to say "oh by the way if we find you have lied after you've had an accident we'll still have to pay the claim to the 3rd party then chase you through the courts to recover it".
Just so we're clear, I'll say it again: If you have an active policy on your vehicle and you're involved in a 3rd party claim, the insurer cannot refuse THAT claim, which is the minimum level of cover required for using a vehicle on the road. That's what I mean by they cannot invalidate your policy. They have to honour the minimum cover. As I also put in my original reply they can and do take legal action to get their money back.
Great job , at the worst it will scuff tyres , but rotate them and it will no doubt be grand , probably no worse than a Chelsea tractor thats been belted up the kerb on the school run twice a day for five years anyway.I am in the sunny town of Irvine, Ayrshire. Cumbria not a million miles away, I may be headed to Blackburn to look at another Freelander soon, as after a good needle gunning this one has grown a few holes... May still need a frame though, pm me details
In terms of the insurance I understand where folk are coming from. I built a 16v k series mini about 10 years ago and that included heavy subframe modification!
At the risk of adding fuel to the fire I made a jig, burnt the centre's out the old bushes, bolted them into the freelander frame and welded box between them.
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Transferred those suspension points to the Evoque frame.
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Interestingly the track is a whole 3mm wider.
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Height difference confirmed at 16mm, all angles and positions otherwise spot on.
did some simple maths, I'll even show my working.
View attachment 326176
Assuming with the stock frame the arms are level at rest. Evoque frame will pull the wheels in 0.31mm, but push them out 1.5mm (track) so 1.19mm total per side... Freelander and Evoque use the same arms btw.
Very roughly estimated the change in camber by taking a stock camber of -1.95° say bottom link to strut top is 350mm (be bigger than this but this will give a more extreme change)
Works out 11.9mm to center line.
Add 1.19mm for 13.09mm.. plug those numbers in the camber is changed to a whole -2.14° well within the +-0.75 spec
Yes the arc will be changed, I could be wildly off on my reasoning for the above figures, someone might dob me into the cops and I'll end up in the jail. But unless anyone has any facts or figures to the contrary I think it's worth a try?
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Just so we're clear. if you have a problem with what the insurers put on their website, take it up with them. Which I'm sure you won't but no doubt, Mr. Last Word Man, you'll respond again, 'Just to be clear'.
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I'm not discussing anything with the insurers, mister down-beat man
You'll notice that I tend to provide qualifying info or at least explainations with a great amount of stuff I post. I notice that you tend not to.
Sounds sorted - wasn't aware they used struts - should make any difference in arcs minimal.I am in the sunny town of Irvine, Ayrshire. Cumbria not a million miles away, I may be headed to Blackburn to look at another Freelander soon, as after a good needle gunning this one has grown a few holes... May still need a frame though, pm me details
In terms of the insurance I understand where folk are coming from. I built a 16v k series mini about 10 years ago and that included heavy subframe modification!
At the risk of adding fuel to the fire I made a jig, burnt the centre's out the old bushes, bolted them into the freelander frame and welded box between them.
Transferred those suspension points to the Evoque frame.
Interestingly the track is a whole 3mm wider.
Height difference confirmed at 16mm, all angles and positions otherwise spot on.
did some simple maths, I'll even show my working.
Assuming with the stock frame the arms are level at rest. Evoque frame will pull the wheels in 0.31mm, but push them out 1.5mm (track) so 1.19mm total per side... Freelander and Evoque use the same arms btw.
Very roughly estimated the change in camber by taking a stock camber of -1.95° say bottom link to strut top is 350mm (be bigger than this but this will give a more extreme change)
Works out 11.9mm to center line.
Add 1.19mm for 13.09mm.. plug those numbers in the camber is changed to a whole -2.14° well within the +-0.75 spec
Yes the arc will be changed, I could be wildly off on my reasoning for the above figures, someone might dob me into the cops and I'll end up in the jail. But unless anyone has any facts or figures to the contrary I think it's worth a try?
Get one of those yellow paint markers breakers use and write "Freelander" on it . . . cover all bases . . .
Haven't read this so might be a bit late to the party... All it will do is raise the roll centre. Not necessarily a bad thing. May even help with the handling.
I can 100% guarantee that it won't affect safety or be the cause of an accident. Even in the case of having the *worst* accident, nobody is going to spot that the subframe isn't the correct one for the car.
Too many people get caught up with 'what ifs'. If your wheel alignment can be set to factory settings, then there is no issue.
I can 100% guarantee that it won't affect safety or be the cause of an accident. Even in the case of having the *worst* accident, nobody is going to spot that the subframe isn't the correct one for the car.
Too many people get caught up with 'what ifs'. If your wheel alignment can be set to factory settings, then there is no issue.
