spectra gloves

[rocketron]

Did some coarse surgery with a 4" grinder and a thin cutting disc. Even though I had leather gloves, still took a lump off a finger. The gloves were not the heavy leather type which perhaps would have been better but I do find them difficult when pressing the "go" button.
Saw an advert selling leather gloves which were cut, slash and needle proof (!), and lined with a material called Spectra, like Kevlar on steroids.
All jokes aside, that's what a cutting disc is meant to do etc. but Kevlar does have good abrasion proof properties, probably better than leather.
Anybody with experience of such?

 

[Hitch]

Not a lot of help re the Spectra gloves....

But, how did you manage to get your fingers in the line of the disc?

I gather you had the guard on?

 

[rocketron]

Guard definately on, gloves on, brain probably not in gear (monster arg with the boss, again), poor working position, end of a long day. Was cutting out some metal from tractor cab floor, just as cutting piece off, thin cutting disc got jammed and clearly finger was in the way.
After nearly 50 years on tools, still have all fingers working, apart from a piece! Should have known better. My fault entirely. Lesson learnt : complacency will cost you eventually.

 

[octo0072000]

here is just a few for you rocketron
but not that cheap to use as works gloves from boss's point of view or maybe use big gauntlet gloves with a pair of spectrs inside but again defeats the oject add says
NOTE: These gloves are cut-resistant, not cut proof. Use with caution when conducting a search or disarming
only other thing that comes to mind are butchers chain mail gloves but how grinder proof is a question
few links for you

http://www.police-supplies.co.uk/gloves/cat_22.html

http://www.police-supplies.co.uk/slash-cut-resistant/prod_376.html
pictures

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sp...UCYeG0AXD--zKAQ&ved=0CFsQsAQ&biw=1167&bih=767

i like the add for these

http://www.cobradefencesystems.com/Kevlar-Spectra-Gloves.html

Butchers chain mail gloves just dont weld yourself to the bench

http://www.scobiesdirect.com/Products.asp?ProdCat=Chain+Mail+Gloves+/Aprons

 

[rocketron]

Thanks for the info. Came across today gloves made by North, model no NFD35X Dyneema/glassfibre at £13/pr. Their ratings are: abrasion level 4, cut level 5, tear level 4 and puncture level 3. These figures, sourced from the same supplier, are way higher than for welding gloves, or for anything else they supply (apart from HEX Armourgloves at £52-£116!) so they appear a possibility. Or am I missing summat? The data sheet for these gloves definately states cut resistant not slash resistant. If they said cut-proof am certain some gorilla could disprove it and bring about a case for litigation! I'm not sure whether abrasion has any relevance to an attack with a cutting disc, but it's level is still higher than leather.
Have had one recommendation, from a sheet-metal basher, who uses leather when welding only.
Any thoughts before I buy?
Regards,Ron

 

[Blurk99]

I've got a pair of Ironclad Heatworx resistant gloves under a cheapy set of tanned leather gardening gloves, i found they give me the dexterity required and good protection from heat (i've got small hands... normal welding gloves are useless on my hands)

jim

 

[rocketron]

Very nice, but cut level is lower than North's (2 v 5) but heat protection is much higher. Price is ok also.

 

[Blurk99]

i presume that cut protection levels are additive when you have multiple layers like i do? or have i got that wrong? are 2 pairs of level '2' gloves the same as a '4'?

thinking about it... if the impact is sufficient to get through the outer level '2' glove it will also get through the inner level '2' glove?

i've never contemplated this (as you can probably tell)

jim

 

[rocketron]

There's a thought! my thinking is: on the basis that most things can be cut eventually, and that a cutting wheel is designed to cut steel, it's safe to assume that a cut resistive glove can give way eventually (I'm not suggesting that the glove is more nor less cut-resistive than steel). So, if a cut level 2 glove takes X secs, then it's a reasonable assumption two level 2 gloves will give way in 2X sec (cumulative protection?). Also, it's a reasonable assumption that a cut level 4 glove would take longer than a level two.
What I'm asking, is there any glove, made from modern high tech materials, that would give better protection than leather from a cutting wheel without sacrificing dexterity? Of course thicker leather gloves would give longer protection but I find them restrictive.
Have tried a butcher's chain mail glove. They grip meat well enough but does slip on steel surfaces. Regards, Ron

 

[Blurk99]

i've just remembered the other half got me 10 pairs of marigold industrial gloves a while back... if you send me a PM i'll happily stick a pair in the post for you to try out!

Part Number FB10PD1, Manufactured to EN388 Standard scoring 2/2/4/x for

Test / Property Performance Levels
1 2 3 4 5
AbrasionResistance-cycles 100 500 2000 8000 N/A
Blade Cut Resistance-cutindex 1.2 2.5 5 10 20
Tear Resistance-Newtons 10 25 50 70 N/A
PunctureResistance-Newtons 20 60 100 150 N/A

sorry if that hasn't text wrapped properly... so my marigolds have 500 abrasion resistance cycles, blade cut index of 2.5, 70N tear resistance but Zero punture resistance (apparently the figure for any otem should read as EN388/224X - the second part is the score

and accordingly the HSE have a page...
the progression between the minimum results required to meet the increasing performance levels. This means, for example, that the increase in test performance required to improve from blade cut index level 4 to index level 5 is eight times that needed to improve from level 1 to level 2. Also, where multiple layers of material are involved, the abrasion and tear resistance levels are derived from the most resistant of the individual layers, not the combination of layers

 

[Blurk99]

oh - they're size 8 - medium

 

[Blurk99]

oh - they're not heatproof atall - i picked up a hot piece of metal and left the blue dots stuck all over it, but they may be useful for grinding and cutting etc!!

 

[rocketron]

The results for tear and abrasion resistance are given for one layer not multiple layer, I think. For instance, if you wore 20 layers of glove, then it would take longer for a cutting wheel to go through the whole lot, though the time for going through the first layer would still be the same?

Thanks for the offer, my hands are size 9 and have got a pair somewhere. but many thanks all the same. Best regards ,Ron

 

[Blurk99]

my reading of the 'rules' is that 20 layers of 'level2' gloves will have *only* level 2 cut resistance, but 20 x the number of abrasion cycles... google EN388 and there's a review by the HSE explaining how they attempt to assign numbers

jim

they don't make it easy to understand do they??

 

[Blurk99]

gives you a few names to search UK stores for....

http://industrial.gloves-online.com/products.php?cat=123

 

[Blurk99]

or 'guide' gloves - lots of choice

http://www.guide.eu/en/guide/aterforsaljare.html

 

[bloke]

gloves

got mine from here

www.migtigarc.co.uk

 

[rocketron]

so many to choose from!!! Many Thanks