Plumbing help

[Jim Davey]

Hi chaps, I know you are a knowledgeable bunch and never stuck when it comes to answers to life’s problems large and small.
Lately there has been an unpleasant odour coming from out downstairs toilet. Upon investigation there is a leak between the toilet waste where it enters the soil pipe.
Upon closer inspection the waste pipe just sits inside a larger diameter pipe and sewage water us just leaking out the bottom every time we flush. We’ve been in the house for 6 years so it’s been like this for a while and obviously only just started leaking so I’m guessing the joint has sagged and that’s why it’s now leaking.
My question is, what kind of connector do I need to make the joint watertight?

 

[Kayos]

That will have a fitting on the end to make it tight in the pipe, or it should anyway

You need a long bent pan connector, Mcalpine or Polyplumb. Cheap ones are rubbish

 

[Jim Davey]

There’s nothing, about an 8-10 mm gap between the inner and outer, it’s like a pr**k in a shirtsleeve. Wobbles around all over the place. I’ll have a look at the mcAlpine jobby. Unfortunately it’s got a waste pipe from the kitchen in the next room coming in the back of the toilet wate elbow adding to the complication of sourcing a replacement.

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

Here

McAlpine Rigid 90° Angled WC Pan Connector White 240-340mm - Screwfix

Order online at Screwfix.com. Polypropylene, rigid WC connector with 90° bend and adjustable length. Outlet seal can be removed, cut to length and re-attached. FREE next day delivery available, free collection in 1 minute.

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Check length obviously

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

There’s nothing, about an 8-10 mm gap between the inner and outer, it’s like a pr**k in a shirtsleeve. Wobbles around all over the place. I’ll have a look at the mcAlpine jobby. Unfortunately it’s got a waste pipe from the kitchen in the next room coming in the back of the toilet wate elbow adding to the complication of sourcing a replacement.

See image above mate

Could be a way down before it seals.

 

[Jim Davey]

I need a coupler to join the pipe I have. The waste elbow has an intersecting pipe joining from the left.

 

[Jim Davey]

It is a McAlpine waste pipe though so that might make things easier.

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

I need a coupler to join the pipe I have. The waste elbow has an intersecting pipe joining from the left.

View attachment 330881

Umm.

That's for a vent

Needs redoing really

McAlpine Rigid 90° Angled Pan Connector with Vent White 363mm - Screwfix

Order online at Screwfix.com. White. 90° pan connector with vent. Features integral sealing diaphragm, which allows for minor misalignment in any direction. Includes blanking cap. FREE next day delivery available, free collection in 1 minute.

www.screwfix.com

 

[Brad93]

Wow that's a hash up. As with all trades there are 'plumbers' and plumbers.

 

[Jim Davey]

I’ve got a feeling it’s a bodge done by the previous homeowners, I’ve uncovered more than a few disappointing issues in the six years I’ve had the house. That ‘vent’ is where the sink/dishwasher waste from the kitchen joins the toilet. I’m pretty sure you’re not meant to do that.

 

[Kayos]

You could use the one with the vent connection if you added a waterless trap, not technically correct but with the secondary seal it isn't incorrect either

 

[Danez]

could always use the first pan connector linked above, cut into the 110mm waste pipe a bit further down and using a mechanical boss connect that to the sink waste?

 

[Jim Davey]

I’ve just put my borescope down the gap between the two pipes and I can see the failed seal that’s fallen off. I’ll get another vent/elbow ordered up from screw fix in the morning. Looks like the toilet will have to be unscrewed from the floor and pulled forward to get the clearance against the back wall to get the elbow off. I hate working on the house, one job always seems to create four…

 

[Jim Davey]

could always use the first pan connector linked above, cut into the 110mm waste pipe a bit further down and using a mechanical boss connect that to the sink waste?

There isn’t room for that, it disappears into a wall and is all boxed/tiled, I’d rather replace what I have like for like but with less toilet water on the floor.

 

[Danez]

There isn’t room for that, it disappears into a wall and is all boxed/tiled, I’d rather replace what I have like for like but with less toilet water on the floor.

ahh fair enough

Know your pain though, i'm currently doing up my bathroom and the sheer amount of bodge jobs the previous owners did is ridiculous

 

[Jim Davey]

ahh fair enough

Know your pain though, i'm currently doing up my bathroom and the sheer amount of bodge jobs the previous owners did is ridiculous

My favourite is the low voltage lights in the upstairs bedrooms that were obviously wired up before the holes were cut for the light fittings. The transformers have failed and there isn’t enough slack on them to get to the connectors on the 230v side! To access them I’ll have to rip up the carpet in the loft conversion and cut access panels into the floor.
I hate it when people don’t plan for the future in even the most basic of ways.

 

[Jim Davey]

Thanks for the help everyone, better than going on a plumbing forum and announcing my ignorance.

 

[Danez]

My favourite is the low voltage lights in the upstairs bedrooms that were obviously wired up before the holes were cut for the light fittings. The transformers have failed and there isn’t enough slack on them to get to the connectors on the 230v side! To access them I’ll have to rip up the carpet in the loft conversion and cut access panels into the floor.
I hate it when people don’t plan for the future in even the most basic of ways.

such a bastard innit.

My gaff was a 70's build on an estate so it was a bodge job in itself, literally nothing is plumb/straight. every room is more like a bloody rhombus than a rectangle lol

 

[Jim Davey]

ahh fair enough

Know your pain though, i'm currently doing up my bathroom and the sheer amount of bodge jobs the previous owners did is ridiculous

Every sink is plumbed with a plastic service cock on the hot and cold water pipe that has a poxy plastic slotted screw with turn them off. Easy one is siezed and the heads strip out so you have to isolate the whole house to work on anything. What happened to brass valves with compression fittings that lasted almost forever?

 

[angellonewolf]

Every sink is plumbed with a plastic service cock on the hot and cold water pipe that has a poxy plastic slotted screw with turn them off. Easy one is siezed and the heads strip out so you have to isolate the whole house to work on anything. What happened to brass valves with compression fittings that lasted almost forever

i thought every iso valve after a few years fail and then start weeping every time i touch one