One for the Industrial Electricians

[Richiew]

The next generation are always "hopeless". It's been on the slide since the times of the Greeks.

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.


Aristophanes


We still seem to be progressing (in a fashion) all the same. People grow up, get wise and whinge about the next cohort. 'twas ever thus...

Possibly bad form to quote yourself but apparently the above quote has dubious origins. It is often attributed to Socrates on the internet but it isn't his either. It first surfaced in 1907 from what I understand. There are loads of genuine quotes decrying future generations from times long past and this was one that I googled to support my point. Still think my point stands. Just a bad choice of googling.

 

[The Artilleryman]

When I left school, the leaving age had just been increased to 16 (SWMBO left at 15 and went straight into work, without any exams).

Today they have to stay to 18, therefore they have to do something for the extra 2 years.

My local college teaches electrics, plumbing, motor mechanics (unit changers) and building trades. None of these kids get any real world experience, before they join the jobs market with paper exam qualification.

Gone are the apprenticeships most of us did, Whose fault is that ?

 

[bricol]

When I left school, the leaving age had just been increased to 16 (SWMBO left at 15 and went straight into work, without any exams).

Today they have to stay to 18, therefore they have to do something for the extra 2 years.

My local college teaches electrics, plumbing, motor mechanics (unit changers) and building trades. None of these kids get any real world experience, before they join the jobs market with paper exam qualification.

Gone are the apprenticeships most of us did, Whose fault is that ?

Yours, mine, and theirs, for buying cheap tat made anywhere else other than here - so as often repeated on here, where once was a strike ridden car industry, an out-dated machine tool manufacturer, or anything engineering related, is now a Tesco, housing estate, retail park/centre.

 

[bricol]

When I left school, the leaving age had just been increased to 16 (SWMBO left at 15 and went straight into work, without any exams).

Today they have to stay to 18, therefore they have to do something for the extra 2 years.

My local college teaches electrics, plumbing, motor mechanics (unit changers) and building trades. None of these kids get any real world experience, before they join the jobs market with paper exam qualification.

Gone are the apprenticeships most of us did, Whose fault is that ?

Slightly more sensibly - did your parents insist you did something, ie the apprenticeship? Drag you kicking and screaming to school/college/work? Or allow you your rights to toss it off and do nowt?

We take on apprentices, and despite the careful selection, still get the odd one/few who can't be bothered, so get left behind and do one to do God knows what somewhere else. The ones that stick with it, learn something, gain experience and often then have the competition come knocking with alternative opportunities if they don't think our opportunities are moving fast enough - quite a few stay a long time though.

 

[Lewis_RX8]

Slightly more sensibly - did your parents insist you did something, ie the apprenticeship? Drag you kicking and screaming to school/college/work? Or allow you your rights to toss it off and do nowt?

Peoples mums phoning up tradesmen and places for a job for their child

 

[skotl]

When I left school, the leaving age had just been increased to 16 (SWMBO left at 15 and went straight into work, without any exams).

Today they have to stay to 18, therefore they have to do something for the extra 2 years.

My local college teaches electrics, plumbing, motor mechanics (unit changers) and building trades. None of these kids get any real world experience, before they join the jobs market with paper exam qualification.

Gone are the apprenticeships most of us did, Whose fault is that ?

Kind of. The English requirements are to be volunteering, in work or in education / apprenticeship until 18. No such restrictions in Scotland, NI or Wales.

As a Scottish parent of a 16 year old who is going through a very difficult 5th year in school, I approve of the English approach.

School leaving age - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

 

[Lewis_RX8]

Speaking of apprenticeships

This stuff annoys me , companys taking the p with the funding and lower than minimum wage apprentice rates , level 5 "modern apprenticeship" in sandwich artist on 16 hours a week what a load of ****e

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

Speaking of apprenticeships

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This stuff annoys me , companys taking the p with the funding and lower than minimum wage apprentice rates , level 5 "modern apprenticeship" in sandwich artist on 16 hours a week what a load of ****e

Just an excuse for a slave wage
If you can't pick up what you needto know after working a week in a sandwich shop there's not much hope for there future.

 

[bricol]

Peoples mums phoning up tradesmen and places for a job for their child

I was thinking more of dragging you out of bed and shoving you on the bus to work/college/job centre.

Parental backup can be useful - one of our apprentices lived a flippin long way away - that concerned the bloke in charge of them, so he asked his dad (elderly, retired) who assured him if he personally had to drive him in every day, he would.

We still miss that apprentice who became our development engineer and just about got one of our new machine types up and running - but due to senior management deciding no-one is irreplaceable, he is now irreplaceable in a senior position with our main competitor - and to be fair, has got on, further, better, higher than he ever would have with us. But us design and development types still miss him!

 

[bricol]

Just an excuse for a slave wage
If you can't pick up what you needto know after working a week in a sandwich shop there's not much hope for there future.

As an ex-sandwich stuffer, there is quite a lot to know - and that was back in mid 90's. Maybe not an apprenticeships worth though But I worked with some who wouldn't have got it all sorted in a month of sundays on the jobs, if ever!

 

[The Artilleryman]

Slightly more sensibly - did your parents insist you did something, ie the apprenticeship? Drag you kicking and screaming to school/college/work? Or allow you your rights to toss it off and do nowt?

No, it never crossed my mind. I expected to leave school and go straight into work (V M apprentice), I didn't get my first choice RAF - failed the medical, under weight - so found a civvy street apprenticeship.

Dragged kicking and screaming to school NO, it was contract coach (9 miles), if I missed that it was local bus and the fare came out of my pocket money.