No more mail order bladed tools.

[Screwdriver]

I posted this link on Alec Steels' YouTube channel. He's getting into knife making in a big way. The proposed law is clearly NUTS!

You might just as well ban pencils.

 

[pedrobedro]

I posted this link on Alec Steels' YouTube channel. He's getting into knife making in a big way. The proposed law is clearly NUTS!

You might just as well ban pencils.

The pen is mightier than the sword. . I got an email from Heinnie Haynes site about this last week and they depend on postage for their livelihood. There will be a workaround for it somewhere.

 

[Robotstar5]

I think it is very wise idea to ban mail order of anything even vaguely pointy

Have you seen the damage that can be done with a sharpened mango?

And its not like any houses in the UK have any sharp kitchen knifes hanging around in the kitchen

 

[thinfourth]

That’s now 5 posts I’ve had to remove, any more and it’ll be padlock o’clock.

is it considered political if we all agree the entire lot of them are ..........................

 

[thinfourth]

I have sent the below to my local MP



I am writing to you in regards to this legislation

https://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2018/june/have-your-say-on-the-offensive-weapons-bill/

I fully acknowledge that London has a knife crime problem and something must be done.

However i believe this bill is more about being seen to do something than to actually doing something useful. As unless i am mistaken stabbing people and carrying a knife is already illegal.


This bill will make it illegal to buy any bladed object or anything capable of cutting the skin online for delivery to my home address.


My home address is a farm south of Stonehaven in northern Scotland.

This will force me to goto my nearest high street retailer to buy anything vaguely pointy.

As a home metal worker the list of objects which I buy which could be classed as pointy is quite long and numerous as it includes things such as bandsaw blades, milling cutters and slitting saws. These all have potential to cut the skin.

I can also assure you that the local builders merchant in Stonehaven does not carry any of these objects as they are far too specialist to stock.

So this will bring an end to my hobby.

If i did actually live in London then i would not be far from an retailer who did carry such items.


My wife is a very keen cook and she does like to occasionally buy a really good kitchen knife.

These are normally well over £100 each and there is no decent retailers in Stonehaven for high quality knifes

This will adversely effect her.

If she did actually live in London then she could go to a shop which did carry such high quality knifes.

Also alot of these knifes are made by small companies inside the UK who rely on mail order to make a successful business. This legislation will make their business model impossible.


So in summary

The proposed legislation is aimed to end an issue which is Londoncentric problem but will have zero effect in London as London incase you haven’t noticed is somewhat full of shops where you can buy pointy things. This legislation will instead greatly effect people who live in rural areas like myself.



Yet again the government is reacting to one group who are doing something illegal by deeming the perfectly legal and harmless activities of another completely separate group to be illegal.

 

[ajlelectronics]

Change "greatly effect" for greatly affect" and it's all good. The two words have almost opposite meanings you see.

 

[frank horton]

I say lets go back to using "FLINT tools"........go on u know u want 1..........hahaha........

 

[slim_boy_fat]

I say lets go back to using "FLINT tools"........go on u know u want 1..........hahaha........

But....you can dismember a Tyrannosaur with a piece of flint....

 

[thinfourth]

Change "greatly effect" for greatly affect" and it's all good. The two words have almost opposite meanings you see.

You think it will actually be read by anyone?

I doubt it

 

[ajlelectronics]

You think it will actually be read by anyone?

I doubt it

Maybe, but if it is read it needs to state the case accurately. If you effect something, you make it happen. If you affect something, you change it from what it was.

 

[Kent]

Blades can be posted to any buisness and can also be picked up with proof of age at one or the post office

Its all smoke and mirrors for polotitions to say they are fixing knife crime. Most of which is actually done with a knife taken from the kitchen drawer..

Existing laws cover offensive weapons adequately it's enforcement and education that's lacking

 

[jerrytug]

I agree with the previous posts.
.It is already very illegal to stab people, or carry anything with intent to commit a crime.

I remember being sternly told off for forgetting to bring my penknife to school (70's S. London) yet by some miracle none of us stabbed each other..
If this becomes law it could hurt small businesses like @Kent of Bowland Fabrications who is on here and forged me a top knife.
(And posted just now..your knife holds an edge very well sir!)

And a nuisance as well if, like me, (sailing and rigging) you use knives a lot.

Politicians dont live in the real world, and get their butler to slice the onions
And another thing, I resent new laws which assume I'm a stupid violent criminal and society needs protecting from me..

 

[Kent]

I agree with the previous posts.
.It is already very illegal to stab people, or carry anything with intent to commit a crime.

I rememèber being sternly told off for forgetting to bring my penknife to school (70's) yet by some miracle none of us stabbed each other..
If this becomes law it could hurt small businesses like Kent of Bowland Fabrications who is on here and forged me a top knife.

And a nuisance as well if, like me, (sailing and rigging) you use knives a lot.

Politicians dont live in the real world, and get their butler to slice the onions

It won't hurt me none at all honestly. Firstly I do very little knife work compared to other stuff and it will make it harder for the very cheap foreign fakers to operate
I was approached by a new industry body called " knife drop" it allows knives and such to be sent to any buisness and of course they can then be collected and proof of ID /age shown . Not Intrested though, don't want people breaking me off all the time (it's bad enough with a wife and two daughters with an Internet shopping habit)

I won't make fighting knives, zombie / fantasy stuff. A few others could learn from this because they are at least in part responsible for the idiots. The same happened in the gun trade early eighties and it payed the price dearly when the legislation dropped on them..

Most of my knife work is for deerstalkers and they all will have a gun shop that could take delivery

Mrs Brown buying sizzors or a new bread knife on amazon is gonna be well put out mind

 

[jerrytug]

Interesting thanks.

 

[God mode restorations]

Signed.

 

[Screwdriver]

Its all smoke and mirrors for politicians to say they are fixing knife crime. Most of which is actually done with a knife taken from the kitchen drawer..

I believe statistically that is incorrect. Many of the premeditated knife crimes are perpetrated by career offenders who, unlike honest law abiding citizens, know all the tricks of the trade. They will typically pop into a shop on the way and buy a knife for cash. They certainly won't be using a traceable blade they ordered off Amazon.

I don't know what the numbers are so I am going to hazard a guess: 20 million households in the UK so lets say 5 knives each - 100 million stabbing weapons in circulation (probably a factor of ten off the truth). I'm going to round up the figures from here (https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN04304) and say 50 thousand crimes involving a knife per year (way more than double the real figure).

That means there are AT LEAST 2,000 knives or stabbing weapons for every perpetrator of violence to get their hands on already dotted around the UK without our potential criminal having to go to the bother of even dodging such a ridiculous law. Do the powers that be really expect making it difficult to procure a knife legally is going to in any way affect a criminal from getting their hands on one? It is absurd even to suggest that making it easy to obtain "a blade" is actively encouraging murder or GBH, otherwise we'd be banning violent games, violent films or even violent books. As it happens they have only just clocked onto drill rap which are songs dedicated to revenge violence...