No more coal power stations

[gaz1]

It's success or failure is going to be intrinsically tied to whether major economies begin to implement a Duty on embedded carbon emissions when goods cross borders, soon enough to make green steel viable commercially.

If the UK, EU (and ideally USA given the green new deal) don't push forward with that approach it will be a complete betrayal of everyone who is trying to keep indigenous manufacturing alive, and revitalise it to meet the purported needs of the energy transition.

that started years ago where we started to loose our industry

cotton, wool and near on to just about every industry has all but gone here in the uk so as goes for indeigenous industry hardly any exist here in the uk

all shipped abroad as they dont want to pay our wages dont want to pay on the tax

offer tax breaks like in usa and they will ise it all up and move to another area as soon as they get another tax incentive

as goes for employing in he area well about a third is the rest is outside of the area

its all about cheap labour we want to make the biggest profit so they will move where its best interests for them

as goes for rotheram and sheffield and yes i do know a good amount of steel is made there and the shipbuilding but even i dont see the need for the steel industry being there sorry its been run into the ground on purpose by the companys

 

[Jelly_Sheffield]

that started years ago where we started to loose our industry

cotton, wool and near on to just about every industry has all but gone here in the uk so as goes for indeigenous industry hardly any exist here in the uk

all shipped abroad as they dont want to pay our wages dont want to pay on the tax

I don't disagree, there's a lot more to the story though which I don't think we can easily discuss without breaking the no politics rule.

as goes for rotheram and sheffield and yes i do know a good amount of steel is made there and the shipbuilding but even i dont see the need for the steel industry being there sorry its been run into the ground on purpose by the companys

From talking to people at Liberty, it's there because when they had their choice of al.ost bankrupt steel mills to buy, S. Yorks was where there was still a critical mass of skills, knowledge and equipment available to make special steels, because by their estimation there was no long term future making anything apart from high value products in the UK full stop.

The metals Industry that's left in S. Yorks is all very high value products.

There's several super-alloy manufacturers (if you think steelmaking is something, you ain't seen nothing yet), Forgemasters, Avesta/Outo Kumpu, and Liberty, Rolls Royce (Single Crystal Casting), and Boeing.

Same goes for engineering, we're making as much by value as the city ever did, but with a fraction of the workforce, working for a lot fewer companies, selling much smaller volumes of incredibly expensive products.

So in that regard, turning a ticking over steel mill into an incubator for a world leading and highly desirable technology would have been very much on brand for how the city keeps it's head above water.

 

[jsf55]

With the steel works closing today, there's a load of stuff that's being shut off never too be used again, no point in having a polluting power station running, wait till the back lash of all the other firms closing, be more than 2500 jobs lost ! As an asides, loads left without taking redundancy and head too Hinkley point before the others were pushed !

 

[roofman]

Its all fine and dandy bragging you don't need power because you have "magical black panels" on your roof and a wind fan in your garden, the time will come when the powers of black ties will make us produce our own electric to meet demands. All these light dimming machines we play with will be scrap,hopefully not in our life time

 

[premmington]

Its all fine and dandy bragging you don't need power because you have "magical black panels" on your roof and a wind fan in your garden, the time will come when the powers of black ties will make us produce our own electric to meet demands. All these light dimming machines we play with will be scrap,hopefully not in our life time

We going thru change - change of how our power is generated - industrial change in how we work - employment and AI. Transport change with EV's.

Some of this change will be good - some will be bad - some will be costly.

Some people will welcome change - other people will fight it...

 

[Jelly_Sheffield]

Some people will welcome change - other people will fight it...

 

[Martin Hocking]

We going thru change - change of how our power is generated - industrial change in how we work - employment and AI. Transport change with EV's.

Some of this change will be good - some will be bad - some will be costly.

Some people will welcome change - other people will fight it...

Beautiful premm is that a haiku?

 

[Robotstar5]

Don't forget the mucky pictures made using only letters and punctuation marks. Works of art they were.

Similar to naked lady printouts on the dot matrix tractor feed printers

 

[premmington]

Beautiful premm is that a haiku?

No it is the truth....

Problem with change is: If you question it - the people who are selling you change - earning out of it - just call you a "luddite"

 

[Martin Hocking]

No it is the truth....

Problem with change is: If you question it - the people who are selling you change - earning out of it - just call you a "luddite"

I wasn’t being facetious just silly. You’re absolutely right and very well put.

As far as steel goes I read a book all about steel this year I put a post about it in the what are you reading thread. It was really really good, and probably the biggest take away from an environmental point of view was that there is no such thing as ‘green’ steel and the biggest change that needed to happen at least in the authors(s) eyes was a change in how it is viewed and valued.

Interestingly they pointed to the relative ease that steel is recycled as one of the biggest causes of its environmental impact. An example they used was the lifespan of a car and how that would change if it couldn’t be crunched up and made into another one.

 

[premmington]

I wasn’t being facetious just silly. You’re absolutely right and very well put.

As far as steel goes I read a book all about steel this year I put a post about it in the what are you reading thread. It was really really good, and probably the biggest take away from an environmental point of view was that there is no such thing as ‘green’ steel and the biggest change that needed to happen at least in the authors(s) eyes was a change in how it is viewed and valued.

Interestingly they pointed to the relative ease that steel is recycled as one of the biggest causes of its environmental impact. An example they used was the lifespan of a car and how that would change if it couldn’t be crunched up and made into another one.

What would you do with all the dead cars if they wer'nt recyclable...?

The Trabant car from East Germany - made of Duroplast (plastic with cotton waste in it). Duroplast cannot be recycled. These Trabants lie everywhere in the former USSR - "chicken shed of choice".

 

[Cheesie]

I started my first proper job at 16 de sooting and servicing boilers, some coal fired like the massive ones in the royal Victoria hospital, travelling around ireland on both sides of the border as the troubles where coming to an end,
I was in Thompsons feedmill last week, last time i was there was 33 years ago to remove a boiler, all gone there seems to be a lack of sense from the ones running the place

 

[Martin Hocking]

What would you do with all the dead cars if they wer'nt recyclable...?

The Trabant car from East Germany - made of Duroplast (plastic with cotton waste in it). Duroplast cannot be recycled. These Trabants lie everywhere in the former USSR - "chicken shed of choice".

I suppose the point they were making was that if they couldn’t be tidied up so neatly and without consequence it would be harder to ignore how mental it is to discard a vehicle after 10 years or whatever the lifespan of a modern vehicle is these days.

But I do take your point that it probably doesn’t quite work like that in reality like with the trabant, mind you there’s still quite a few of them rolling about, or am I making that up?

The catchphrase they use in the book is ‘sustaining the unsustainable’ which they use to describe a lot of environmental policy decisions to date.

I’ll be honest I completely under appreciated how much energy and resource went into steel production. Unfortunately I’m definitely not the only one.

 

[pressbrake1]

Couldn’t believe my luck , power cut tonight. Only knew about it because of the text message. Made sure my outside lights are on so my neighbours see old mad Clive ain’t that mad

 

[Keithmac]

And china are building one a week......

I'm sure I read they have built 47 new ones so far this year. Mind boggling really!.

 

[optima21]

No it is the truth....

Problem with change is: If you question it - the people who are selling you change - earning out of it - just call you a "luddite"

and speaking of luddites..... but talking about making money out of change... this is Enoch's hammer

its an old sledgehammer used by the luddites to smash the cropping frames. At the same time Enoch Taylor who made the hammer was a blacksmith who was making the ironwork used in the cropping frames, just imagine the sales pitch if they had Dragons Den back in the day

 

[Morrisman]

I'm sure I read they have built 47 new ones so far this year. Mind boggling really!.

Totally belittles the 0.1% of the global carbon emissions the U.K. has removed by going coal free…..

 

[GRW]

This is the elephant in the room, that the UK and other Western Nations like to sweep under the carpet.
Doing "our bit" to reduce global emissions & the whole Nut Zero business (that's business with a capital B if we face the harsh truths) is utterly pointless (were the stated objective to be the actual & honest objective that is) - unless EVERY Nation EVERYWHERE did so simultaneously and to the same degree, at the same relative pace and percentage.
Which is NOT the case. Here in Wales we are being forced into expensive "change" - when our total contribution to Emissions as a Nation - is reckoned at 0.04% (I might even have forgotten to move the decimal point to the left one step - but the whole UK is reputedly less than 1%).
Even if we achieved Nut Zero - without China, India, USA, Asia etc .... our efforts would have such a small impact it'd be effectively immeasurable.
Yet - the initiatives and nonsense hyperbole surrounding Nut Zero - continue and increase the burden on the ordinary person.

The inevitable and only logical conclusion - is that the whole UK drive to Nut Zero - is for goals and outcomes that have in reality nothing whatsoever to do with "saving the planet" and in creating a safer, cleaner, sustainable and "better" future for our descendents - quite the opposite.

(Note to @Wozzaaah - because practically ANY discussion CAN be interpreted as "Political" as its inextricably linked to just about everything including the weather - means that some common sense has to be applied, as well as some "latitude". This post of mine makes no political reference to any UK or indeed international political nor cultural bodies or organisations whatsoever. It is virtually impossible to say anything about anything, without it being possible for someone to draw "political" connotations. Personally I only see the need for light-handed moderation, when individuals become combative and rude. Otherwise people will barely be able to say anything at all, which means you might as well close up shop)

 

[Morrisman]

 

[brewdexta]

When net zero calcs are done, the footprint of making and delivering all the goods we buy and import from around the world needs to be considered. Our footprint would look a lot different when non-domestic consumption is included.

When my dog drops an egg in my neighbours field, it's still my dog's carp!