New workshop build

[thinfourth]

My current steel framed workshop is to be frank terrible

It leaks like a sieve, the walls rattle, the floors so badly laid the welder rolls itself away from the wall, the doors don't fit, its too cold in winter, it too hot in summer, its badly laid out.

Most of this is due to the idiot that built it not the fact it is steel

To rectify this it would need the following replaced

The roof, the walls, the frame, the doors and the floor which leaves erm not much

So plan B

Build a new one next to it

It will be 7mtrs wide and 10 to 12 mtrs long and high enough for a landrover on a 2 post lift.

I want it to be warm and light and generally a nice place to be


I am undecided on what is the best construction method

The budget is £15K but less is good

In the running we have

Block work walls and a timber framed roof with windows built into the walls and maybe some roof windows if eBay gods are kind

or

Entirely timber framed using portal frame

or

A steel building kit


So what are other folk thinking about what would be best

 

[CornishPete]

sounds like quite a project!
is the 15k just for materials to build it yourself or to subcontract the whole job out? 7x12m is the size of a detached house so anything including labour will be expensive. If this is the case then steel framed is usually cheapest, think agricultural buildings here.

 

[Martylee]

We have in work a steel framed workshop..block walls halfway up and then metal on the rest of the walls and roof .. but it does have some type of insulation .. I'll try and find out some more when I go back to work... I find it plenty warm enough once you start working

 

[BrianCork]

Block walls here with a timber framed roof and 4 inch insulated cladding. Cool in the summer and plenty warm enough in the winter. Only regret here is we didnt put in enough windows. Has plently light with the sliding doors open but not ideal on a cold wet day. Whatever you do, go for the insulated roof. May cost more, but well worth it in the long run. Even 2 inch insulated cladding would make a world of difference

 

[thinfourth]

A lot will be DIY

Going to subcontract out the concrete base as i am not mixing that much concrete by hand

No effing way

 

[Martylee]

No way you could get a lorry in ? They can pump a fair old way now a days... easy enough to order once you work out what you need

 

[thinfourth]

I am pap at polishing concrete

It is an job for someone who knows what they are doing.

So a lorry will be coming in or two depending on how much is needed

The standard of the floor in my current workshop in incredible

It varies in height by well over an inch

Where the welder sit if you push it to the back wall it rolls back out by about 12 inches

 

[colnerov]

If the existing base is stable why not shutter up and lay more concrete on top and level that?

 

[thinfourth]

If the existing base is stable why not shutter up and lay more concrete on top and level that?

Then i would have 1 workshop

Which would still leak and be badly laid out

And the current workshop was laid on topsoil I keep on expecting to find it has slid down the hill when it is very wet.

At the top of the slope it is on the concrete is 3 inches thick and you can see where the rain has washed it away

At the bottom of the slope it is being undermined by the chickens scrabbling at it

It is comedy bad


Thee is not one single part of the current workshop that is worth keeping

 

[500e]

If you build a steel frame one you could put in the footings for the frame around existing building fit steel & clad & demolish old unit then float floor as the last job, if you are pumping leave a end panel to get pump in if door on other end
Agree with BC about insulation especially roof Kingspan if budget stretches
http://www.kingspanpanels.co.uk/

 

[thinfourth]

If you build a steel frame one you could put in the footings for the frame around existing building fit steel & clad & demolish old unit then float floor as the last job, if you are pumping leave a end panel to get pump in if door on other end
Agree with BC about insulation especially roof Kingspan if budget stretches
http://www.kingspanpanels.co.uk/

Interesting idea

One problem with that

I end up one workshop

Why would you want that?

 

[colnerov]

You keep say "one workshop" like it's a bad thing. Is one big shop not good then?

 

[thinfourth]

The leaky tin shed is 7.7mtr x 10mtrs

Its terrible but it is good enough to keep a welder and some steel in

The plan is to have a clean workshop and one that can get covered in grinding dust etc

 

[colnerov]

You can always partition off an area for dirty work which you can make any size to suit needs and alter if necessary.

 

[thinfourth]

I live on a old farm

I have 2 acres of ground

I see zero advantage in doing anything to the old workshop as knocking it down will cost me more cash and give me less floor space for the same cash.

 

[colnerov]

Hi, I'm not saying don't knock it down. What I was saying was if any of the base that's there is stable just concrete over it to what ever size you want. There is not much point digging it up, to then just put it back in as hardcore. I Would have thought one big space was better than a series of small shops, if you want a dirty room the as I say partition or have another small one for that alone.

Colin

 

[slim_boy_fat]

as knocking it down will cost me more cash

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ROFL

You can try

Wet concrete and rusty steel may prove difficult to light

 

[thinfourth]

Hi, I'm not saying don't knock it down. What I was saying was if any of the base that's there is stable just concrete over it to what ever size you want. There is not much point digging it up, to then just put it back in as hardcore. I Would have thought one big space was better than a series of small shops, if you want a dirty room the as I say partition or have another small one for that alone.

Colin

Still failing to see an advantage in using part of the old shop

It is useable for welding stuff together

Utterly hopeless for fixing a car due to height and space issues

The old shop IS NOT GETTING TOUCHED


If i had an unlimited budget i wold happily bin it but i have not got an unlimited budget

 

[500e]

The initial post gives the impression that your present shed is beyond bad & a new one is required.
Leaking, damp, leaning frame, with a floor that is in immanent danger of skiing of down a hill would suggest a new shed rather than 2.
Like your thinking Slim_b_f