naughty new trick.

[Cobbler]

They won't start cos their knackered Norm!

 

[normspanners]

They won't start cos their knackered Norm!

What are ? injectors, pump,fuel rail cracked , fuel rail pressure sensor, valves, tappet clearance, pistons, rings, air in fuel, starter, battery, earth, engine oil viscosity, ambient temp, and a Myriad of others all of those can be helped with a 'sniff'
so saying their knackered, is like saying a computer wont boot, because ???????????

 

[Cobbler]

What are ? injectors, pump,fuel rail cracked , fuel rail pressure sensor, valves, tappet clearance, pistons, rings, air in fuel, starter, battery, earth, engine oil viscosity, ambient temp, and a Myriad of others all of those can be helped with a 'sniff'
so saying their knackered, is like saying a computer wont boot, because ???????????

My remark was meant "tongue in cheek" Norm

 

[Bill Edwards]

Leyland made some brilliant engine and there are still some good ones around. Yours must be in a serious state to take so much starting.
E.g my 4/98 engine is a first turn starter no matter how cold or how long since last being started and always has been. Doesn't even need to turn fast, just turn...

It sounds like some time looking at the starter system is long overdue, do some simple voltage drop testing.
Then if you aren't prepared to look for the problem just give it a small sniff of easy start each morning and it'll be good for another decade or more.

I used to work for someone with a 12/24 starter pack - a blooming powerful one at that, started 24 volt crawlers with truck batteries when both were dead - and when something 12v wouldn't go he'd flick it to 24. I don't recall anything ever saying no then!

many engines are fitted with it as standard for extreme conditions, it is not as bad as people make out used properly. It does also have its place in diagnosis etc
And all this stupid talk about diesels 'getting addicted' to it makes me laugh. What a load of tosh.
There is a reason THEY WONT START------ IT JUST NEEDS FINDING !

How nice (and rare) to see someone else who knows this. I know machines that have needed a small sniff every morning for many years, going into decades, and not getting any worse. Saves batteries and starters.
The whole addiction thing is indeed rubbish, people don't seem to grasp that the 'addiction' isn't anything to do with ether but simply that the fault still hasn't been addressed, what the stuff in a can does is allow the engine to keep running.

I have an old DB engine which won't look at starting without help. Been on easy start every cold start in the 8 or 9 years I've had it, and after connecting a manifold heater plug tried it yesterday without ether - first crank and she was running. So much for addiction...
And btw, the reason for wanting the heater is not a disliking of ether but a disliking of having to get off the seat to give it the sniff. Lazy...

 

[MrFluffy]

The jcb 3c with the leyland 4/98 came factory with a ether injection cold start mechanism, ie easystart but not in a can.
If you have it still, you might see a small pod on the left hand face of the dash, and a plunger in the dash proper, the pod is a resivior for ether, and the plunger measured a shot to get the old girl fired up in cold mornings. Theyre all knackered by now anyway though, along with the dunny pump for fuel transfer. My pump is still there, but the bellows and valves dry rotted years ago so its ornamental too.
I start mine with a sniff of easystart out a aerosol, but thats because I already know its knackered and why. Otherwise it will start dead cold but it takes a age and chuffs white smoke for a bit building up enough heat to diesel properly and catch so a quick whiff is kinder on the starter and stuff.

 

[normspanners]

The leyland engine came in two forms rotary pump or inline the inline pump was far Superior pull the lever back click the rack stop to full fuel and it would start normally first time.

The jcb 3c with the leyland 4/98 came factory with a ether injection cold start mechanism, ie easystart but not in a can.
If you have it still, you might see a small pod on the left hand face of the dash, and a plunger in the dash proper, the pod is a resivior for ether, and the plunger measured a shot to get the old girl fired up in cold mornings. Theyre all knackered by now anyway though, along with the dunny pump for fuel transfer. My pump is still there, but the bellows and valves dry rotted years ago so its ornamental too.
I start mine with a sniff of easystart out a aerosol, but thats because I already know its knackered and why. Otherwise it will start dead cold but it takes a age and chuffs white smoke for a bit building up enough heat to diesel properly and catch so a quick whiff is kinder on the starter and stuff.

Yes that is the same starting aid called ki gass, Rollsroyce had it on eagle diesels also

Ether valve and canister

this is a john deer option


The optional cold start package is recommended for tractors frequently started at or below -6°C (21.2°F).

The kit includes factory-installed activation switch and ether valve with ether canister.
another
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/d....oap?ck=Search_N2592_-1_-1&pt=N2592&ppt=C0076

 

[Mee]

many engines are fitted with it as standard for extreme conditions, it is not as bad as people make out used properly. It does also have its place in diagnosis etc
And all this stupid talk about diesels 'getting addicted' to it makes me laugh. What a load of tosh.
There is a reason THEY WONT START------ IT JUST NEEDS FINDING !

That always tickled me, I had visions of old diesels shoving a syringe into the air intake fill of cold start.

 

[dannyp]

heavy commercials are fine with a whiff of ether ( or drowning in it ), the engine drive welder actualy has an ether kit on it ( for use below 4 deg C ) but there are littel kubota engines about here, they are very vunerable to cracking top rings with it. even says on the air filter houseing not to use it.

I'd say the engine is done. Had the head off it before when it had to have a gasket and had all the intentions of putting a few things right but it was opend up a case of " WOW that ran, thats really dosent look good at all, ummm well it did run best i leave it well allone slap this head back down and pretend i havent seen any of that " i mean it uses engine oil like 2 stroke now anyway managed to get it to drag itself out and trundel off in 1st to have a rest in a diffrent hedge.

piccy is of same model / diffrent machene it's one a mate had couple of yrs ago ( nd its tidyer ) but with all same symptoms but is about how knackerd this one is, that engine clatterd about 2 clock hours later we later re engined that one

 

[mechman]

7.3 Powerstroke, Cummins or some other v8 diesel with the fuelling turned and roll coal through London....watch Client Earth go into meltdown along with the anti pollution meters...

Love it.

 

[dobbslc]

I think we got ourselves a Convoy!

 

[MrFluffy]

piccy is of same model / diffrent machene it's one a mate had couple of yrs ago ( nd its tidyer ) but with all same symptoms but is about how knackerd this one is, that engine clatterd about 2 clock hours later we later re engined that one

Sounds similar to how mine looked inside when I lifted the head.
From the cab that looks to me to be a pre 1967 3c mk2 or a 3mk3. They made the cab slant forwards at the front to stop rain obscuring the view on later machines, but the very late ones got the 3cx powertrain prototype drivetrain and extradig on the rear boom. Mine was in just before the extradig (extending telescopic rear boom) and powertrain, with a leyland syncro box and skid, and a shuttle fluid flywheel so I have 4 gears in both directions for a truly terrifying reversing experience. I'd love to retrofit the extradig boom one day though if I ever drop on one. Or the hammer pump, pedal + hardlines...

 

[dannyp]

that is the one ting that might save this one it dose have fully functioning hammer/pecker cuircuit on it. and it makes a lot of sense to peck with the jcb rather than ore expensive to fix 360

 

[normspanners]

In my experience it is not the ether that's the problem, it is the thing attached to the operating side of the thumb using it, that is the problem!

 

[Bill Edwards]

In my experience it is not the ether that's the problem, it is the thing attached to the operating side of the thumb using it, that is the problem!

Indeed, pumping it in there as though you need half the can.
Wonder why that's sometimes followed by a bang...?

 

[normspanners]

I usually crank the engine and give tiny pulses and you start to hear it pick up speed a little, then increase pulse amounts if needed, till it can cope without.

 

[8ob]

Also pays to advance the pump on the slots a tad, that can make a big difference to starting and running on an old smoker. Just dont go mad

Bob

 

[Bill Edwards]

I usually crank the engine and give tiny pulses and you start to hear it pick up speed a little, then increase pulse amounts if needed, till it can cope without.

Yes that's good when trying it on an unknown engine, keeping the can some distance away from the intake.
I have one (which I know very well) and all it takes is a half second spurt into the airbox, just enough to see it wet the surface it hits, put the mushroom back on and you're guaranteed to go without overdoing it.

Hate hearing them knock when the stuff is sprayed in like mad.

 

[dannyp]

best spray i found to use on them was called "lemon fresh" bought a couple of pallets of airosols at a liquidation sale. all force branded stuff some of them were usefull other stuff like spray copper grease was useless. and this air freshner called lemon fresh there was shed loads of it, and it smelt like pub toilet. somehow found out engines liked it, spray as much as you like in no nasty thumping, rattels or knocks they just run faster

 

[normspanners]

That would poss be using a propane propellant in the aerosol, so it was the gas it was running on.

 

[octo0072000]

the other fixed system was called start pilot still about now in mk2 version
https://www.roxspur.com/products/start-pilot_2