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Or use smart meters to shut down private demand thus keeping railways and other infrastructure on line.Of course - like Australia - we could just pay the gas stations to stay online as well
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Fair enough, but national grid said otherwise...
Industry experts said a gas-fired power station at Little Barford, Bedfordshire, failed at 16:58 followed, two minutes later, by the Hornsea offshore wind farm disconnecting from the grid.
Industry experts said a gas-fired power station at Little Barford, Bedfordshire, failed at 16:58 followed, two minutes later, by the Hornsea offshore wind farm disconnecting from the grid.
Or just build more nuclear power stations. Stop pumping out so much co2 and reduce our leccy bills!
Co2 output is spiralling out of control due to crackpot renewables. Every country that has invested heavily in renewables has seen an increase in their carbon footprint. It ain't working and trillions have been wasted on it by idiot politicians.
RWE have said barford shut down as it was supposed to when wind output rose.
Worst outage Britain has had in decades. Expect to see more.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...urred-amid-drop-in-wind-and-natural-gas-power
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Yes, it’s wouldn't happen were it not for that pesky wind...
Such technical faults at power plants are not uncommon but it is rare for two generators to trip at the same time.
The last similar incident was in 2008, when the Sizewell B nuclear plant in Suffolk and the now closed Longannet coal-fired station in Fife went offline within minutes of one another, causing blackouts for hundreds of thousands of homes.
Such technical faults at power plants are not uncommon but it is rare for two generators to trip at the same time.
The last similar incident was in 2008, when the Sizewell B nuclear plant in Suffolk and the now closed Longannet coal-fired station in Fife went offline within minutes of one another, causing blackouts for hundreds of thousands of homes.
It did NOT trip. They turned it off as wind output was so high. A sudden drop in wind and it didn't fire up fast enough. Simple. The only solution is to keep the gas stations on but that rather defeats the object.
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The quote was from 2008 when a nuclear and coal plant tripped at the same time.
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It wasnt a planned shutdown, it failed and 2 minutes later Hornsea off shore had an issue so to protect the frequency the system disconnected some load
Why transport was disconnected is being investigated by ofgem
The lack of high mass turbines being phased out is a huge issue, aside from this outage, however we will never have a 100% reliable system, it's not possible
Why transport was disconnected is being investigated by ofgem
The lack of high mass turbines being phased out is a huge issue, aside from this outage, however we will never have a 100% reliable system, it's not possible
Battery banks?
The biggest in the World would provide power for Britain for about 11 seconds!
This outage has been caused by a windfarm. There was loads of wind power so the gas stations were turned off. In South Australia they are now paying gas stations to stay online even when they don't need to. And yet they claim they are helping the environment
There is NO way of storing enough power from wind. IF there was I would be in favour of it but there isn't!
Gas powered station went off first, followed by a wind farm. Wind farm part is today totally irrelevant and could have been any other type of power generation.
Its already been stated that the variability of wind power had nothing to do with it.
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Nah, should be all right, at least for a while anyway as I have heard Boris is full of wind and pee.
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only at its limit due to greedy profit companys that are not investing in the infrastructure and expect the simple people to pay for it again while they make billions in profits
its annoying that customers end up paying extra expect your bills to rise as high as 250.00
https://www.ft.com/content/897d548a-8c34-11e9-a24d-b42f641eca37
https://actions.sumofus.org/a/no-energy-bill-surcharge-for-new-nuclear
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-b...up-front-for-new-nuclear-plants-idUKKCN1UI19M
https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Nuclear-power-in-the-UK.pdf
7) Grid protection. Usually only applicable for heavy users (factories and the like) - under times of 'unusually high demand' (winter peak times for example), the supplier/national grid could then turn off the meters remotely to protect the National Grid from overdemand. This isn't a new thing (the companies already have 'shutoff' agreements with heavy users), but it's usually a manual process where they company is called and asked to cease operations. With smart meters, they can be provided with an 'At risk' notification (as they tend to do in the mornings now I believe) and if it comes to it, NG can shut things down and restart things just for the minimum time necessary.
what would you say if you was told the outskirts of london would be shut down just to keep there rich end city in power I know what id say to that comment
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I suspect I can see 
coming over the hill......
coming over the hill......The need for backup generation capacity is not unique to wind or renewable power, whatever type of generation is used there is a chance a station will drop offline for some reason, there are also large spikes in demand that have to be coped with (think advert breaks during popular TV events where a large amount of people get up and put the kettle on).
Wind power is now substantially cheaper than gas or coal, its drawback is not price or sudden outages it is that the wind varies from day to day and you can get periods without wind.
The problem (as with so many things nowadays) is twofold, lack of coordinated planning and investment and everyone wants everything as cheap as possible. That said from personal experience, electricity supplies nowadays are far more reliable than when I was growing up in the 80s
Wind power is NOT cheaper!
The Hornsea windfarm that went down gets paid £159 per mw/h.
There have been several speculative bids at low cost but none of those have been built as they are not viable.
A gas power station typically gets £50 per mw/h.
Dinorwic.
We need lots of them to rely so much on wind - mountains aren't very cheap to build though
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