Mutli fuel stove, another by looks.

[W.olly]

Well by looks this is the place for home build stoves. I have a cabin cruiser and have been fitting it out for sometime, now i have always liked a solid fule stove and at the prices i didnt fancy paying the cash for one, cheap skate me, or if i can make it i will, more fun that way.

So here i go with it.

It is made from RHS mild steel, 250mm x 200mm x 10mm wall, it stands at 23 inch in height and burns cracking. I went through a good 12 cutting disc on the whole build and a few grinding disks, i didnt think my plasma would do ther 10mm work but later i did the leg cut outs with it and i did well.

I made the door with to siut a 8mm ceramic rope with 6mmx6mm bar.

I made a grate from 12mmx12mm bar which i hope will do for now untill i cast grate, but it seems to be putting up with it for now.

Hinges old gate ones and a bit of my own

I have missed out a few fin ishing pics as i didnt take any but the rest was just fitting a bottom and top, the top i used 40mm and cut it into 4 for the rounded edges.
Oh and a bit of paint to give a better look. Even added a copper plate for the kettle, i have another to fit whaich i hitted today actualey.

And a video
http://s409.photobucket.com/albums/pp172/wolly_03/?action=view&current=MVI_0867.flv

Oh and i broke the glass when fitting the feet.

All in it cost just under £70, a good saving i think. i have so made the money back on buying a mig a few year back.

 

[the snooper]

nice burner good work

 

[Normsthename]

Nice Burner!
One thing, don't you think you should have some form of heat insulation behind the stove, wood walls do burn!
A simple and cheap fix would be to fix some plasterboard behind the stove

Andy

 

[ytre]

Looks really well, good job. did u fit a baffle plate?

 

[pedrobedro]

Some soft fire brick to line the fire area would help to keep the outer skin painted instead of burning and rusting. The RHS you used looks like some we had for a spec lift recovery lorry jib a long time ago.

 

[Sam]

Nice looking stove, if you cant get the stove 300mm from a combustable material line the wall with gyproc fire board pink in colour then screw batons giving a 50mm gap and reline with more board.

One thing to watch for which has caused fires in the past, I only found out about this a few months ago is the screw through the board into the wood if in close proximity to the fire heats up and then you have wood smouldering behind the board causing a fire.

 

[W.olly]

Nice Burner!
One thing, don't you think you should have some form of heat insulation behind the stove, wood walls do burn!
A simple and cheap fix would be to fix some plasterboard behind the stove

Andy

Nice looking stove, if you cant get the stove 300mm from a combustable material line the wall with gyproc fire board pink in colour then screw batons giving a 50mm gap and reline with more board.

One thing to watch for which has caused fires in the past, I only found out about this a few months ago is the screw through the board into the wood if in close proximity to the fire heats up and then you have wood smouldering behind the board causing a fire.

It made me chuckle a little at them comments chaps, dont me no disrespect , but i spose there will be somebody who would fit a stove as where mine was pictured, it was on a test run and cooking in the paint in my car port. I have had it running about a dozen times previous mnaking sure all is good as i will be using this on my boat.
It will be lined out aroiund the stove with a 25mm air gap between hull and 12mm ply and 12.5 fireboard then tiled upon, the stove will sit 6 inch from the wall.
In the test runs it sat it 4.5 inch from 18mm chipboard to see how hot it got, well the stove side was to hot to touch but the outside was only just warm. the stove was going full belt for a good 3hrs.

Some soft fire brick to line the fire area would help to keep the outer skin painted instead of burning and rusting. The RHS you used looks like some we had for a spec lift recovery lorry jib a long time ago.

It is lioned mate, it has the standard 25mm fire brick on the 3 sides, burns Anthrcite a treat, can go for near 9hrs on a full load and half air vent open.

Looks really well, good job. did u fit a baffle plate?

When i first made it i didnt have one fitted, now there is one and burns a lot better, keeps a lot of heat in than going straight up the flue

Thanks for the comments chaps appreciated

 

[Sam]

Sounds like you have it sussed, you will be amazed at how people are prepared to install these things I had the building controle officer here two weeks ago for the completion cert for the house, he asked why I had not installed the stove in my music room and I explaned that I was making my own twin wall flue and to what spec he agreed what I was doing was a good idea but I said he would not be able to pass it because it had not been approved or had the appropriate stamp.

He then mentioned of a fire that had happened a month ago that had been caused by someone installing a wood burner and using stainless flexy liner passing through the attic unlined to an outlet on the roof. I made the reg. plates and pipe off sets for Forest Fire for years and have heard of and seen pics of the mess that can be caused by an incorrectly installed fire, not nice! Here are the regs document J for those reading this may be of help to someone. http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF_ADJ_2002.pdf

 

[W.olly]

can be a real pain some regs but i think there are there for a good reason as shown.
My regs for the stove use will be to BSS (boat saftey standards), i checked with an inpsector so all is good and ready to go, except the flue , not made it fully yet., infact it is made to BS standard, forgot which one though, i have it somewhere. If i can find the next level of BS standards for the heat out put etc i can test it to that aswell to see if it meets the regs there.
It will be fitted to this, and as it is of GRP construction i have had a bit of feed back not to do it as it wil `Melt through the hull`
I said/asked ` what if it is fitted correctly, it shouldnt `melt` the boat, and asked ` how warm/hot does your steel hull get`, i got no answer, as expected as the hull if fitted correctley will not get warm.

This is from people that only speculate and never been there or done it and just think.

 

[Sam]

If you do have a fire there will be plenty of water around you to put it out.

 

[GeorgeB]

I had the building controle officer here two weeks ago for the completion cert for the house, he asked why I had not installed the stove in my music room and I explaned that I was making my own twin wall flue and to what spec he agreed what I was doing was a good idea but I said he would not be able to pass it because it had not been approved or had the appropriate stamp.

So where does that leave you, if Building Control won't approve your high quality flue materials due to daft rules and regulations?

 

[Sam]

It is not a problem the flue I am going to install would pass but has no cert so the inspector (due to regs) cant tick the box. My cousin manufactures fire proof boards for installation in industrial applications I gave him all the spec and he was more than satisfied with what I was doing.

 

[GeorgeB]

It is not a problem the flue I am going to install would pass but has no cert so the inspector (due to regs) cant tick the box. My cousin manufactures fire proof boards for installation in industrial applications I gave him all the spec and he was more than satisfied with what I was doing.

I thought Building Control departments are quite strict and that if anything doesn't meet their specifications in controlled areas of work, like flues, then it can't be approved and you then face orders to dismantle, or whatever. So how will it pass if the inspector can't, or won't, tick the box?

 

[Omniata]

They are coming down to earth a little bit with regards to specifications...

Most building inspectors will check to see if the item in question meets the necessary criteria if it doesn't have a pass certificate or a stamp...
"Certificates of conformity" are usually the key to this, that way in the unlikely event that something does go wrong the manufacturers are liable...

I know it doesn't help if you do end up with an out of control fire but it leaves you in safety as to costs...
If a company doesn't provide a certificate of conformity, don't use it...


I'm planning to buy and install a multifuel stove with back boiler and link it into my combi boiler and central heating with a thermostatic matrix, all approved...
One condition is though that above the stove I have a solid steel/stainless flue for a minimum of 2 metres up the inside of the chimney before entering the flexi type stainless...
I have a sealed chimney running all the way to the roof so any fire will be contained...

 

[Sam]

I thought Building Control departments are quite strict and that if anything doesn't meet their specifications in controlled areas of work, like flues, then it can't be approved and you then face orders to dismantle, or whatever. So how will it pass if the inspector can't, or won't, tick the box?

Once I have the cert I will install the stove which does not need any cert after the completion ( not in Scotland at the moment yes down south) it will be installed to guide lines which are stipulated in document J. I already have the "black hole" box installed into the wall to allow enough air into the room and the wall has been lined with gyproc fire board.

The inspector did not see any problems with what I proposed to install he thought it was a good idea not having any seams in the flue. Yes I know they come with bands to seal the joint but I do not fancy any joins within an attic space I have no access to.

 

[GeorgeB]

Sam - you're lucky living in Scotland. Having seen the build standard of your burner and the high quality tubing you've bought, I've no doubt it will surpass anything one could buy from a stove shop, for example. I just feared that if it doesn't have some stupid conformity certificate, then Building Control might refuse to approve the project on what would amount to a technicality.

 

[Sam]

Had just poured myself a wee dram and the thought came to me I was probably not clear on the cert that I need, it was for a new house build. I have just got(waiting on arrival) the certificate of completion for the house the cert was not for a stove installation.
I have one in the lounge already a Morso Dove which I restored and made a new stainless boiler for and the Morso squirrel is the one I will install upstair in the music/bar room which has also just been re-furbished.