Man-cave diesel heater 12V supply......

[slim_boy_fat]

It is non vented. Very clean burn. Like a gas cooker is non vented.
It is FAR cleaner running than a catalytic calor gas tyoe heater which really makes my eyes water.
Only stinks on startup and shutdown. I whack the thermostat right up to stop it cycling. When room gets too warm I just choose minimum.
Has a 7L tank inside - you can take the tank out to refill whilst running. Made in Japan not China. Very popular in many countries.
Has all sorts of safety features - even an earthquake mode!
I use a CO detector as well just in case.
Had it for about 4 years now. Paid for itself in the first month.
Needs a service once a year which I do myself.

Sounds like the Zibro ones I've seen in a local(ish) large shop, they do chuck out some heat!

 

[fizzy]

Oh, I thought you were talking about a diesel heater. Another reason for taking the combustion air from outside on them is that it is possible that they backfire or develop a fault and carbon monoxide in the combustion chamber can leak back into the room. The standalone heaters are as you say completely different and from the descriptions are a very much improved version of the old paraffin heaters we had when I was a kid.

I was!
And I DO take the combustion air from outside!
The standalone heaters I was referring to are the Chinese diesel heaters in an enclosure.
I also have the other type which as you say is a modern take on the old paraffin ones.

 

[fizzy]

Sounds like the Zibro ones I've seen in a local(ish) large shop, they do chuck out some heat!

Yes that type. Brilliant in the right room.

 

[voipio]

The suitcase style diesel heaters that I've seen come with burner-side inlet and exhaust tubing, so they could easily be kept indoors, with the burner inlet and outlet routed to the outside. See e.g:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Jacgood-5000W-8000W-Parking-5KW-8KW-Trailers/dp/B0BLYWFKTV

 

[voipio]

Excerpt from a Webasto diesel heater installation manual:

"Installation Location - The heater can be fitted both inside and outside the vehicle. When installed on the outside, care must be taken that the heater is fitted in a location that is protected against splashwater and spray."

The Eberspacher installation manual for the Airtronic D4 suggests numerous possible locations inside cars, vans, lorries, and excavators. If the recommended precautions are followed, these heaters are safe in these situations.

 

[m_c]

Excerpt from a Webasto diesel heater installation manual:

"Installation Location - The heater can be fitted both inside and outside the vehicle. When installed on the outside, care must be taken that the heater is fitted in a location that is protected against splashwater and spray."

The Eberspacher installation manual for the Airtronic D4 suggests numerous possible locations inside cars, vans, lorries, and excavators. If the recommended precautions are followed, these heaters are safe in these situations.

The heater body itself can be mounted inside or outside the vehicle, but it should be mounted so that the combustion pipework is completely external to the passenger compartment.

 

[JOEPRO]

It's refreshing to see so many experts here again on the subject of these heaters and how they should or should not be piped. Great work.



Intake inside.

Exhaust passes to outside through the cavity masonry wall.

For those who start with "going to die" etc apply some common sense. In my application this is used in my garage by me. Low level of risk. Whereas a sleeping risk in a mobile home etc is a different proposition.

 

[fizzy]

It's refreshing to see so many experts here again on the subject of these heaters and how they should or should not be piped. Great work.

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Intake inside.

Exhaust passes to outside through the cavity masonry wall.

For those who start with "going to die" etc apply some common sense. In my application this is used in my garage by me. Low level of risk. Whereas a sleeping risk in a mobile home etc is a different proposition.

Indeed!
I run 2 of these heaters constantly in Winter. Using just kero. One of them lasted for about 5000 hours until a mate filled the tank with bleach whilst I was in hospital last year. Funnily enough never worked after that so had to buy a new one!
Nothing wrong with your install.

 

[Blobber]

While were on about these killer machines what are folks doing to extend the exhaust safely? mine turned up the other day but the exhaust is a bit on the short side so any safe suggestions for a bit more length?

 

[m_c]

It's refreshing to see so many experts here again on the subject of these heaters and how they should or should not be piped. Great work.

View attachment 421995

Intake inside.

Exhaust passes to outside through the cavity masonry wall.

For those who start with "going to die" etc apply some common sense. In my application this is used in my garage by me. Low level of risk. Whereas a sleeping risk in a mobile home etc is a different proposition.

Just for clarity, I've actually been Webasto trained, and know the manufacturer's guidance.

If anybody wishes to ignore the manufacturer's guidance, that is entirely up to them.

 

[Morris]

It's refreshing to see so many experts here again on the subject of these heaters and how they should or should not be piped. Great work.

View attachment 421995

Intake inside.

Exhaust passes to outside through the cavity masonry wall.

For those who start with "going to die" etc apply some common sense. In my application this is used in my garage by me. Low level of risk. Whereas a sleeping risk in a mobile home etc is a different proposition.

Must admit I was beginning to wonder where my sleeping area was in my workshop.

 

[Morris]

While were on about these killer machines what are folks doing to extend the exhaust safely? mine turned up the other day but the exhaust is a bit on the short side so any safe suggestions for a bit more length?

I used some stainless tube I found in the scrap box, a sched 40 elbow and tig glue.

 

[nickk]

Time to fire mine up getting a bit chilly in the shed

Soft northerners!

 

[jsf55]

While were on about these killer machines what are folks doing to extend the exhaust safely? mine turned up the other day but the exhaust is a bit on the short side so any safe suggestions for a bit more length?

There on ebay at about 300cm length ?

 

[Blobber]

There on ebay at about 300cm length ?

Just found a 2mtr length on the bay, chopped in half will do one for now and one for a spare

 

[JOEPRO]

Just for clarity, I've actually been Webasto trained, and know the manufacturer's guidance.

If anybody wishes to ignore the manufacturer's guidance, that is entirely up to them.

Whilst I appreciate China has taken an expired patent from Webasto and copied the heater core do any of these in terms of how they are packaged or used in home garages bear any resemblance to the original Webasto instalation instructions anymore?

The Webasto heaters were intended for installation as heaters for sleeper lorry cabs etc. These are now different applications and circumstances used in a home garage.

Once sleeping risk is removed and there is a digital screen and fault finding system the risks are considerably reduced IMO.

 

[m_c]

Whilst I appreciate China has taken an expired patent from Webasto and copied the heater core do any of these in terms of how they are packaged or used in home garages bear any resemblance to the original Webasto instalation instructions anymore?

The Webasto heaters were intended for installation as heaters for sleeper lorry cabs etc. These are now different applications and circumstances used in a home garage.

Once sleeping risk is removed and there is a digital screen and fault finding system the risks are considerably reduced IMO.

As I said, you're free to do what you like in your own property, but you seem to have an issue with anybody stating the manufacturer's guidance.

 

[JOEPRO]

As I said, you're free to do what you like in your own property, but you seem to have an issue with anybody stating the manufacturer's guidance.

No issue, that's fine thanks. Webasto don't make these heaters they are made in China.

 

[m_c]

No issue, that's fine thanks. Webasto don't make these heaters they are made in China.

So with that logic, if I buy a gas boiler from China, I can ignore all the UK/EU installation requirements?

 

[DAPPH]

I have one of the ones fizzy linked to, and its very civilized, you plug it in 220v, set a temperature on the lcd display panel and it lights itself automatically and all sorts of modern touches & you can buy the low fume fuel for them everywhere but it gives me headaches after a while using one indoors or in the workshop so I abandoned it to a storage shed a few years back. What drew me to the chinese diesel heaters was that they externally vent, and I don't have headaches running it, although the whole needing a 12v psu etc is a pain. I suppose it depends on how airtight your workspace is.

Slim, experience suggests your fan will stick or make weird noises again now its done it once, at the most annoying moments possible. It might be a idea to investigate getting a replacement fan while you have the luxury of not being in a rush to source one, as having a new spare fan next to it ready will nearly almost guarantee that the fan will never go wrong again.

Check the PSU fan blades for dust build up , I've cleaned various small cooling fans and got a much quieter life as a result .