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Set a few as well.
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i know the one i wouldnt like to be in or near . and ive been in a car thats gone up in smoke
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i know the one i wouldnt like to be in or near . and ive been in a car thats gone up in smoke
I wouldn't want to be in any
Fairly sure you didn't sit there while it burned thinking "this is fine, it's only a petrol. No need to get out. I'd be running if this was an EV"
Sadly our firebrigades are so risk adverse these days they try to fight fires from the outside. It doesn't work!
The corporate manslaughter laws introduced in 2007 are to blame. 3 fire chiefs were facing jail because of it. Now they refuse to send the firemen into dangerous situations
Obviously nobody wants to see firemen die but the figures speak for themselves. In the USA they lose around 100 a year. In the UK just 1 in the last 10 years.
Firefighting is a dangerous job - it is impossible to make it 100% safe without sacrificing something.
The Manchester bombing was a classic example.
The corporate manslaughter laws introduced in 2007 are to blame. 3 fire chiefs were facing jail because of it. Now they refuse to send the firemen into dangerous situations
Obviously nobody wants to see firemen die but the figures speak for themselves. In the USA they lose around 100 a year. In the UK just 1 in the last 10 years.
Firefighting is a dangerous job - it is impossible to make it 100% safe without sacrificing something.
The Manchester bombing was a classic example.
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Would you suggest they should run into a burning multi storey to save a few cars?Sadly our firebrigades are so risk adverse these days they try to fight fires from the outside. It doesn't work!
The corporate manslaughter laws introduced in 2007 are to blame. 3 fire chiefs were facing jail because of it. Now they refuse to send the firemen into dangerous situations
Obviously nobody wants to see firemen die but the figures speak for themselves. In the USA they lose around 100 a year. In the UK just 1 in the last 10 years.
Firefighting is a dangerous job - it is impossible to make it 100% safe without sacrificing something.
The Manchester bombing was a classic example.
They used to. There could be people or pets in some of those cars.
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As we know they only go into a building to bring out possible victims.
#We both know they will contain the fire, make sure it does not spread and to save life, not properties.
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They will not save pets if their life's are at more risk.
People have a habit of returning to save their pets - I certainly would.
That is why the RNLI etc get involved in so many animal rescues.
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The RNLI do more as dumb nuts get carried out on cheep inflatables.
They are also volunteers of course.
I was surprised to learn that the majority of firemen in Portugal are volunteers. They are very highly thought of due to all the forest fires they get. Statues and memorials to them all over Portugal.
Even in Germany many are volunteers!
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Hmm, yea makes sense. They should put themselves at risk for a dog or non existent people.
Have you actually seen the video, or in fact been involved in firefighting in an enclosed space containing fuel? I have - and to suggest that they could somehow go in and start fighting this type of fire from within is nothing more than fantasy. The collapse of the building gives you some indication surely?
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Alas Mr Tiff, many Strawberry have no real concept of fighting a big fire.Hmm, yea makes sense. They should put themselves at risk for a dog or non existent people.
Have you actually seen the video, or in fact been involved in firefighting in an enclosed space containing fuel? I have - and to suggest that they could somehow go in and start fighting this type of fire from within is nothing more than fantasy. The collapse of the building gives you some indication surely?
I have on the D23, The F58 as well.
plus a few courses.
No Brigade member retained or a volunteer will risks his or her life to save a dumb ass.
Obviously it depends on how far established the fire was. I suspect it was reported very promptly.Hmm, yea makes sense. They should put themselves at risk for a dog or non existent people.
Have you actually seen the video, or in fact been involved in firefighting in an enclosed space containing fuel? I have - and to suggest that they could somehow go in and start fighting this type of fire from within is nothing more than fantasy. The collapse of the building gives you some indication surely?
My concern is not with the individual firemen - it's the fact that modern health and safety protocols/laws are endangering the public by stopping the firebrigades doing what they used to do. And yes we are also losing buildings due to this. It is easy to say buildings don't matter but they often do.
Why do they lose so many more fire fighters in the USA and other countries? Are they all rubbish or badly equipped? I think not.
There have been too many cases of the public dying because the fire brigade were afraid to respond.
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And then you've the qonderful scenario around my way where the council blocks muktiple roads to close rat-runs, with no option of emergency gates. Tgey stick bloody great planters and bollards in tge way. All done without consultation with either the fire brigade of ambulance service.
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And I suspect the people that live and work there.
Blimey. I dont often disagree with you, but do here, especially in the context of the Luton fire. As an airport car park theres unlikely to be any pets there. People should be able to exit easily so can see to themselves. Let the thing burn to the ground if you cant safely put it out from the outside. Why risk the fire brigade lives?Sadly our firebrigades are so risk adverse these days they try to fight fires from the outside. It doesn't work!
The corporate manslaughter laws introduced in 2007 are to blame. 3 fire chiefs were facing jail because of it. Now they refuse to send the firemen into dangerous situations
Obviously nobody wants to see firemen die but the figures speak for themselves. In the USA they lose around 100 a year. In the UK just 1 in the last 10 years.
Firefighting is a dangerous job - it is impossible to make it 100% safe without sacrificing something.
The Manchester bombing was a classic example.
As goes the RNLI. Look at Penlee. I think 8 brave souls went out on the Solomon Browne to rescue 8 crew on the Union Star. All died. The crew could have come back with four I think, but persevered to get the remaining four. Noone can make a judgement on this kind of thing unless they are there IMO. Truth with Penlee is that the Union Star should have been forced to take a tug long before it got too close to the rocks. Rules have changed since so its no longer the boat owners decision I beleive.
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You are seriously arguing that sending more firefighters to die is a good thing? Have a word.
No. Just wondering what is so different between the UK and USA brigades.
Corporate manslaughter laws are the root of the problem. The government was warned of the consequences before they came in.
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