Just had a go at wiring me new shed.

[RWD3M]

Ah yes makes sense bit different to electrical regs.

Careful @Lewis_RX8, you're in danger of bringing this thread back on topic!

 

[Lewis_RX8]

Careful @Lewis_RX8, you're in danger of bringing this thread back on topic!

Oh dear can't be having that

So you heard of this bloody lorry driver shortage

 

[Parm]

Careful @Lewis_RX8, you're in danger of bringing this thread back on topic!

Will you stop being sensible !

 

[mike os]

Will you stop being sensible !

Don’t worry, it will never catch on

 

[hermetic]

What's wrong with earthing nuts? I've never found a problem with them and they make a more solid connection than the banjo does.

the threads are hoplessly loose on the gland, and when you fit them most of them strip the thread on the gland before the reach the require level of tight!

 

[Dave-sparks]

the threads are hoplessly loose on the gland, and when you fit them most of them strip the thread on the gland before the reach the require level of tight!

What brand of earthing nut are you using? I've not experienced either of those problems with them, and can't see how you managed to strip a thread with one?

You are far more likely to have these troubles with the steel locknut provided in a gland kit than you are with earthing nuts.

 

[Kayos]

Ah yes makes sense bit different to electrical regs.

Gas runs at 20mb, a freshly fluxed but not soldered fitting will easily hold that, for a while

Would you sign a gas cert for a pipe someone else has installed?

 

[hermetic]

What brand of earthing nut are you using? I've not experienced either of those problems with them, and can't see how you managed to strip a thread with one?

You are far more likely to have these troubles with the steel locknut provided in a gland kit than you are with earthing nuts.

glands, shrouds and locknuts today are of such poor quality, and such huge tolerance as to make fitting them an absolute pain, doubtless all made in china or India, regardless of what is stamped on them, unless you were fitting SWA in the sixties and seventies, when everything was built to proper engineering specs and FITTED you wouldnt realise the difference!

 

[sparkysy]

I've never had a problem with earth nuts. Always good and tight on fitting! I did have a problem with a load of CW20s glands that were so soft they sheared as you tried to do the final tighten! Some manufacturers of glands are atrocious I had some 50mm ones that would not go together for love nor money! The SWA branded ones are great but I prefer the storm glands these days much better fit and quality, and fully insulated too!
Sy

 

[Dave-sparks]

glands, shrouds and locknuts today are of such poor quality, and such huge tolerance as to make fitting them an absolute pain, doubtless all made in china or India, regardless of what is stamped on them, unless you were fitting SWA in the sixties and seventies, when everything was built to proper engineering specs and FITTED you wouldnt realise the difference!

Cheaper brands of gland and locknut are indeed poor quality, but then I suspect that has always been the case.
You can get good quality glands if you choose a decent brand rather than whatever is cheapest.

However the point that has been made here is that earthing nuts offer an improved earth connection over the banjo and locknut method.

 

[sparkysy]

^^^^^^ especially if entering a plastic enclosure or switchgear!

 

[Alan Reynolds]

Guy in free fall struggling to open his parachute, sees a guy coming up towards him, so he shouts over, "know anything about parachutes mate" the guy replies "no sorry mate, do you know anything about gas cookers......."



Genuine question, are the electronic boards that you repair for gas boilers required to be re certified as before, as part of the repair, or is the responsibility of that transferred to the "gas Safe" technician. If there was a problem ( such as above), where would that repair stand.

Just like any board I repair, whether for a tv, a laptop, ultrasonic cleaner, washing machine or whatever, just like the original, it can develop a different fault at a later date over which I could never have a control over. If a new board is fitted, it can develop a fault. New boards are more likely to develop a fault in its early life. Then it goes through what we call the bathtub curve which means that it is more likely to develop a fault in its much later life. Fixing faults in later life boards usually results in a longer life span for that board. That’s just what I’ve found from experience. It all gets a bit anal with some ‘experts’, where do you stop? The boards aren’t certified after repair. They’re put back and work, same as the original or a replacement. Boards usually fail in a safe mode.

 

[Alan Reynolds]

I remember when we had a new WB gas boiler fitted in our last house.
British Gas quoted and said we need a larger bore feed to the boiler (confirmed by WB in the installation manual), what they proposed was ugly and in my opinion potentially dangerous.

Had local company (been in business over 10 years, with good reputation), asked if I could run the new gas feed (from meter, NOT CONNECTED to) this was agreed to, as long as all joints soldered (not compression), they could inspect it and it was gas tight.
They would make the connections both ends.
All pipework was inside and protected from damage, unlike the BG quote.
Done under CORGI regs.

Only dangerous bit was soldering in a confined space - as we still scuba dived in those days, it was a case of 15L cylinder long hose to DV so I could breath easily - if gas blow torch went out I was still safe and breathing.

I expect the same problem when I eventually replace my old boiler. I will not have an ugly 28mm pipe running around the front of my house like they were proposing. It’ll follow the old pipe. I’ve got a similar problem to sort for my neighbour. His telephone wire that runs externally to his upper floor has an internal break. BT will not fix it because they will not use a ladder or walk on his flat roof. They also refuse to connect the ends if I run the cable. I’ll do the whole thing for him. I get visions of Harry Enfield, “You don’t wanna do it like that,” It’s a sad cotton wool world people live in now. I don’t though.

 

[Alan Reynolds]

Most manufacturers say they don't allow it as it is classed as a modification, BG brought out an updated version of the Isar board, Ideal took them to court over it.

If the board was badly repaired or modified to alter the sequence of operation, the person fitted it would be in trouble if it went wrong or it was found out in some other way.

The sequence of operation for a boiler from demand to ignition to satisfied is set out in legislation so cant be changed

I don’t suppose most manufacturers do allow it because they can charge £190 for an Isar board and I can repair it for next to nothing. at least I know not to accept repairs from anyone here in case I get grassed up!

 

[The Artilleryman]

His telephone wire that runs externally to his upper floor has an internal break. BT will not fix it because they will not use a ladder or walk on his flat roof.

Since when did BT stop using ladders ?
how do you get up the bottom half of a telephone pole, fly?

 

[Lewis_RX8]

Since when did BT stop using ladders ?
how do you get up the bottom half of a telephone pole, fly?

I don't think they stopped using them but IIRC quite strict on the rules using them they need to be tied off to the wall in some eye bolts to stop twisting or a fall arrest system or something around those lines and in some locations this won't be possible I think.

 

[brightspark]

the leccy board have 2 teams. one lot do the lower lot of supplys and another team that climbs ladders on poles at height thats the way health and safety have gone and insurance unfortunately im not covered for working on household aerials

 

[Dave-sparks]

the leccy board have 2 teams. one lot do the lower lot of supplys and another team that climbs ladders on poles at height thats the way health and safety have gone and insurance unfortunately im not covered for working on household aerials

Linesmen and jointers have been seperate jobs for decades, it's hardly a recent thing which has come about due to health and safety or insurance.

 

[RWD3M]

Will you stop being sensible !

Sorry @Parm , won't happen again!

 

[hermetic]

Last time BT came out to me he said they weren't allowed to work in restricted spaces when I told him the incoming line was in a loft!
Phil