hey guys i have been using the disposable bottles but thats getting expensive , anyway a friend off mine has given me an empty grey/green pub bottle , its got some sort of twisty knob on top but does it still need a regulator , if so does the reg just attach to the excisting one ?? and how much will places charge to refill them ?? am thinking i will probably use another 3-4 bottles of disposable on my car @ £40 if i carry on with them , and probably wont do alot more welding when my car is done ! so what will be more cost effective ?