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I've done exactly the same, you couldn't see the pipes rotting above the tank so unless the driver had cause to brake hard they would burst on the mot test
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I would have failed a pipe to pipe joint 2 malleable faces trying to make a pressure joint No!! A coupler is the correct method.
If you are the manufacturer you have a/ a Legal team b/ a procedure hopefully you work to with a series of tests to back up your what I think is poor practice.
If you are the manufacturer you have a/ a Legal team b/ a procedure hopefully you work to with a series of tests to back up your what I think is poor practice.
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If you were / are a tester you couldn't fail such a joint as they are perfectly legal / acceptableI would have failed a pipe to pipe joint 2 malleable faces trying to make a pressure joint No!! A coupler is the correct method.
If you are the manufacturer you have a/ a Legal team b/ a procedure hopefully you work to with a series of tests to back up your what I think is poor practice.
also that fact you think it is bad practise when car makers themselves use this method and have done forever just shows that it's only your opinion, millions of cars on the road can't be wrong, how many have you heard of that have failed ? I've never heard of one Just one other point, if you was using your coupler to join a mild steel pipe you would also be using 2 malleable faces as both the coupler and pipe are mild steel which is malleable
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Never seen one that failed was a tester for 25 years + also never joined pipes, run one piece pipe even if you had to make it on the vehicle, I would still fail a non manufacturers joint if I found it & let the ministry inspector make a decision if it came to the push.
We had a argument at a training day regarding the front sub frame mounts on a mini with one piece glass wings\front I said I would fail it, the inspector said if its not fitted at all how do you inspect it ?? you cant fail it
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My reply was OK remove ALL break parts cylinders pedals pipes drums every vestige of breaks (silly I know) now how can I fail the car ?
We had a argument at a training day regarding the front sub frame mounts on a mini with one piece glass wings\front I said I would fail it, the inspector said if its not fitted at all how do you inspect it ?? you cant fail it
.My reply was OK remove ALL break parts cylinders pedals pipes drums every vestige of breaks (silly I know) now how can I fail the car ?
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There are items now that inspectors can't fail if they can't see it properly due to the rule of not taking anything apartNever seen one that failed was a tester for 25 years + also never joined pipes run one piece pipe even if you had to make it on the vehicle, I would still fail a non manufacturers joint if I found it & let the ministry inspector make a decision if it came to the push.
We had a argument at a training day regarding the front sub frame mounts on a mini with one piece glass wings\front I said I would fail it, the inspector said if its not fitted at all how do you inspect it ?? you cant fail it
My reply was OK remove ALL break parts cylinders pedals pipes drums every vestige of breaks (silly I know) now how can I fail the car ?
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If your using a male to go to a female your using 2 of the same flare against each other, 2 soft materials compressing against each other, I wouldn't be comfortable with that !!!
The flare should compress on a seat, hence the need for a proper joiner
The flare should compress on a seat, hence the need for a proper joiner
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I've seen them fitted on vehicles from new
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The female nut needs a double flare, the male nut a single flare, so by screwing a male nut into a female you're putting different flares together, which should be OK - providing the flares have the same profile. I'm not happy about doing it this way for repairs though.
If it's done from new then OK subject to what I said in posts #7 & #19.
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You can't use 2 of the same flares it wouldn't seal
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Well its not, as long as it doesnt leak its a pass because that is how they are done from the factory.
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males sometimes use op1 then op 2 therefore a 'female flare ' depends on the joint, same with females.
ford use either it is not just mondeos most of the ford range use males into female joints as do GM etc etc
I usually use a full thread male nut when forming that type of joint so as to maximise the used thread.
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You can't use 2 of the same flares it wouldn't seal
Yes that's my point, I've always worked that there is no place for a single flare on a car braking system, I've always thought it dangerous to single flare as no strength
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Never seen one that failed was a tester for 25 years + also never joined pipes, run one piece pipe even if you had to make it on the vehicle, I would still fail a non manufacturers joint if I found it & let the ministry inspector make a decision if it came to the push.
We had a argument at a training day regarding the front sub frame mounts on a mini with one piece glass wings\front I said I would fail it, the inspector said if its not fitted at all how do you inspect it ?? you cant fail it
My reply was OK remove ALL break parts cylinders pedals pipes drums every vestige of breaks (silly I know) now how can I fail the car ?
do the brakes break when applied ? or have they already broken
coz if so that is a fail, it would be interesting writing that on a fail sheet, that the breaks are not breaking coz that is a pass!
In fact back in 'the day' the ministry were very pernickety about that particular spelling because it had two TOTALLY different meanings and applications and jumped on people for the misuse.
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All this talk about joints, annoys me if it dont leak it passes thats it -----end of.
what is far more dangerous is people 'throwing' brake pipes in, especially high copper content pipes and totally disregarding the clips or cable ties, I see them every day meandering their way down the chassis or around fuel tanks swinging round in the breeze and people think you are being picky !! and it is not only joe public, the number of garages that send them like that are incredible, seen them rubbing on exhausts tyres propshafts, cv boots ARGH
copper is banned in competition and lots of countries for the fact of not standing vibration or fatigue too well.
what is far more dangerous is people 'throwing' brake pipes in, especially high copper content pipes and totally disregarding the clips or cable ties, I see them every day meandering their way down the chassis or around fuel tanks swinging round in the breeze and people think you are being picky !! and it is not only joe public, the number of garages that send them like that are incredible, seen them rubbing on exhausts tyres propshafts, cv boots ARGH
copper is banned in competition and lots of countries for the fact of not standing vibration or fatigue too well.
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Agreed, the previous owner of my car paid 250 quid for a garage to replace the rear brake pipes, having had a good look they've just thrown it in so I'm about the replace it all for peace of mind, annoys me when I can do a much better job as a driveway mechanic than so called professionals.
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a very misunderstood word, all it means is they earn a living doing it, its their profession, its doesn't mean they are good at it
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Yep very true. The only time any of my cars see a garage is for the MOT. One of them has done 283000 miles and never failed an MOT in the 10 years I've owned it..
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and it only stands to get MUCH worse as nobody in schools etc are promoting youngsters being interested in that line of work ( I know sorrya very misunderstood word, all it means is they earn a living doing it, its their profession, its doesn't mean they are good at it
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but it is incredibly hard to find good mechanics NOW let alone in a few years time, we will have to ship cars to japan for repair !
you will find a lot of garages employ people that only have an IDEA of what they are doing.
