help!!! Rear brake drum stuck to hub?

[Glyn]

As the shoes are free and not binding, undo the wheel bearing nut, pull the lot off, support the edges of the drum and tap the hub out. Clean it all up, little bit of copper slip where the drum touches.

 

[stucktoweld]

can't take the hub out as its a use once and throw away!
when the hub is pulled out it can't be re fitted - new fangled idea?
perhaps the whole cars the same

no extra holes in the drum (well as of yet)
Drum spins around freely
Tried poking screwdriver in to free handbrake lever thingy
think it must be big hammer time

 

[the snooper]

never heard of a disposable hub before.
if the drum spins freely then why are you poking a screwdriver in to to release the automatic adjusters the shoes cant be stopping it or it wouldnt spin

 

[the snooper]

just done a search and the hub is not disposable wheel bearings are available.
they are probably ball bearing type and not roller so are not adjustable you would just re-tourqe them.

 

[piman]

Hello Bsmith,

"Do not breath the dust that falls out as it may be asbestos"

Not on a modern, asbestos was banned years ago, that's why discs wear out so quickly now, the pads have abrasive metal in them.

Alec

 

[the snooper]

Hello Bsmith,

"Do not breath the dust that falls out as it may be asbestos"

Not on a modern, asbestos was banned years ago, that's why discs wear out so quickly now, the pads have abrasive metal in them.

Alec

it has been illegal to manufacture brake linings with asbestos for years you wont find any about today unless you have a car thats been sat in a garage for well over 15 years or even more.

 

[Bsmith]

Thanks for putting me right, I never heard of a Berlingo before and thought it was maybe a vintage job with original shoes still in.

 

[pedrobedro]

Hit the face where it sits on the hub with a proper 1.5lb ball pein hammer to break the rust. If it's spinning freely you will see it move down the wheel studs as it breaks away.

 

[BChild]

Hit the face where it sits on the hub with a proper 1.5lb ball pein hammer to break the rust. If it's spinning freely you will see it move down the wheel studs as it breaks away.

I agree - sharp repeated blows around the face at 145 deg intervals

 

[classic2cv]

before you do any heavy bashing try releasing the break shoes

you can do this by turning the drum so that one of the holes line up with the hand brake lever

(5 o clock postion on the left, 7 o clock on the right)

push the levers towards the the back of the car screwdriver

this will push the shoes right back and you should be able to get the drums off

Berlingo's are great cars

 

[rikrobson]

I had the same problem when I 1st got my capri.

The answer was to heat the drum with a blow lamp for a few minutes.
As the drum expands with the heat it breaks the rust/sh*te seal that has formed.

When i did it after about 5 minutes of warming i heard a distinct chrack as the bond broke and the drum could just be lifted off. This was after about 1/2 hour of banging with various hammers that made no impression at all.

 

[M@tt]

If the drum is spinning then it either means the drum is really worn and has a massive groove in that the shoes are catching on, if so it'll be a case of winding the little adjuster right off with a screw driver so that the shoes retract right in towards the centre of the drum.

The other option is you'll probably find the inner bearing race is stuck/rusted to the stub axle. I had it on my 205 CTI (same rear brake setup as a berlingo) i just had to smash the drum from behind till the bearing broke apart and the whole drum came off.

big lump hammer and a large drift was the order of the day

this was the inner race bit that had fused itself to the stub axle. I then had to grind it off iirc or you could probably heat it and pry it off if you can get a screwdriver/small pry bar behind it

HTH

Matt

 

[stucktoweld]

Think i should be called stucktowheel?

Fk so far hit it with rubber hammer, metal hammer put little dinks in surface heated it with a hot air gun (setting 650C) rather that a blow torch)
I was first trying to first check the shoe -- past experience with french stuff is often they swop parts
I think now careful looking with a torch through wheel nut hole they are lucas shoes as standard.
So plan now is to get some easing oil let it soak in, heat with torch an then wack with hammer. (after ordering new shoes just in case)

Thanks for all the help this far proves its a great forum
just to help the replies
shoe are free of drum / brake release is off /drum dose not wiggle i.e stuck to hub flange/ hub removal require new hubs and drum come off first so that out

So I will delay oil heat wack until I can get penetrating oil a little harder here
I will try load image soon be patient i only have dial up how i'd love ADSL

 

[bill_gj]

When you finally get the thing off, try to put copper-loaded grease on the hub face when you put the drum back on. It will help stop the seizing-on, for next time you have to remove the drum.

 

[rtbcomp]

When you finally get the thing off, try to put copper-loaded grease on the hub face when you put the drum back on. It will help stop the seizing-on, for next time you have to remove the drum.

But not too much, otherwise it will spin out onto the friction surface.

 

[peterd51]

Hi,

or as I do on the Mondeo run a file or grinder over the hub and the inner circle of the disk. It doesn't need to be that tight a tolerance as the wheelnuts hold it in place.

Regards
Peter

 

[piman]

Hello Peter,

the reason for it being a snug fit is to ensure that the drum is concentric to the hub when re-fitted.

Alec

 

[rtbcomp]

Has your drum got some screws holding it to the hub? Sometimes there are countersunk setscrews holding it in place. These will help centre the drum as well as what Piman says above.

 

[stucktoweld]

When you finally get the thing off, try to put copper-loaded grease on the hub face when you put the drum back on. It will help stop the seizing-on, for next time you have to remove the drum.

Yes I intend to when they give in (Yes its both sides)
I think before I had the car either citroen or mechanic put them on without any anti seize grease save a few penny more expense for the punter

at the moment the rhs is soking with penetrating oil
I think its less rust that the very fine dust that get everywhere here thats gunged them up cos they look quite clean otherwise?

 

[M@tt]

umm you have removed that centre grease cap and removed the big hub nut behind it havent you??!!