Heating oil theft.

[S-Rail]

I know you didn't, I did, it was a tongue in cheek about people in the US seamingly getting away with serious crimes on such technicalities, bit vague for the internet, my fault.

I feel for your friend, not displaying cctv signs shouldn't be a reason for the evidence not to be used in a criminal case no matter whether it is for business or personal use, public or private land. Individual judges can choose to exclude evidencve for certain reasons, this should not be one of them, maybe some convoluted "lesson teaching" If you had signs it would be a deterrent and we wouldn't be in court kind of thing, although that's just my imagination.

Ofcouse admitting having recordings that breached whatever privacy/GDPR rules/laws should be a seperate matter.

My apologies for my snappy comment , sadly text on the internment can give the wrong impression ,

I’ve a two sided view re the signage , if you don’t put it up , it may not be usable , but if you do put them up , then they may wear face coverings , which would hinder possibly knowing who it was .

I get the gdpr thing about if your filming public spaces / roads , properties , neighbours homes . But as far as I would be concerned , if you enter someone else’s property , then you forgo any of that .

Just seems a very strange law that domestic and private properties have two set of different rules . Ive the view of if your not doing anything wrong , why would you be bothered about being filmed .

 

[Morrisman]

Just seems a very strange law that domestic and private properties have two set of different rules . Ive the view of if your not doing anything wrong , why would you be bothered about being filmed .

I was surprised just how many countries it is actually illegal to use car or bike dash cams in. Most people generally think they can trundle around permanently filming the world at large, alas, that's not the case.

Dash cam use abroad could mean fines or jail | RAC Drive

www.rac.co.uk

 

[Kram]

Good luck with them nicking my kero - at home I have an empty tank - not refilling at these prices!

Even better. They'll phone up and order some for you, and drain it out before you get the invoice

 

[fizzy]

Even better. They'll phone up and order some for you, and drain it out before you get the invoice

Nothing would surprise me. However I only have an account with one company and they know me personally.

 

[fizzy]

I was surprised just how many countries it is actually illegal to use car or bike dash cams in. Most people generally think they can trundle around permanently filming the world at large, alas, that's not the case.

Dash cam use abroad could mean fines or jail | RAC Drive

www.rac.co.uk

Germany have only just started allowing Google street view - talk about behind the times.
And remember when schools and leisure centres wouldn't allow anyone in with a camera phone - only evil people use them

 

[slim_boy_fat]

two very attractive wpc’s walking about

Well at least that brightened your day.

 

[S-Rail]

I was surprised just how many countries it is actually illegal to use car or bike dash cams in. Most people generally think they can trundle around permanently filming the world at large, alas, that's not the case.

Dash cam use abroad could mean fines or jail | RAC Drive

www.rac.co.uk

I suppose it can be Pandora’s box of pros and cons , on one hand we are supposedly the most surveiled countries in the world , most cameras per person .

On one hand we want privacy in our lives but also want the protection of surveillance. Car / bike cameras are great for insurance purposes , and often see on Faceache the police requesting if anyone has footage of X or Y location / time or incidents.

I’m for protecting your person or property , it’s when the self entitled idiots decide to go hunting on social media , blasting footage of a well edited clip and use it for a witch hunt . That’s where the line is crossed and believe in the gdpr protocol .

There is one particular national “issue” that I won’t mention as it is another whole thread that will upset people and quite often footage is posted by both sides , well edited , excluding most of the facts , but once on the net , it becomes dangerous for those purported to be the guilty . Often resulting in criminal damage , harassment and so forth and often drags innocent kids into the problem , but it goes unchecked without consequences for those making the posts .

Dammed if you do , dammed if you don’t .

 

[James1979]

I was surprised just how many countries it is actually illegal to use car or bike dash cams in. Most people generally think they can trundle around permanently filming the world at large, alas, that's not the case.

Dash cam use abroad could mean fines or jail | RAC Drive

www.rac.co.uk

That surprised my brother and SiL when they came from Sweden just before Covid. They were banned there until very recently.

I’ve spent time in Germany and they’re very private people who value that and also the old East / West mindset is very strong in certain parts. Was near colditz and that’s in what they call the ‘Valley of The Clueless’ in that they couldn’t get Western TV etc during the Cold War so only knew what they were told. Couple that with the Stasi etc etc and that mindset lives on and they’re still suspicious of being filmed and in small places, new people. No where near like it used to be but old habits and all that.

Got a clip on gaz tube feed earlier which reminded me of this thread - guy had a purple hellcat stolen in Houston, and he ended up finding it himself after a few month. Anyway point is one of the comment was along the lines of the police are that rubbish they can’t find a purple hellcat. Probably lost in retelling but made me chuckle.

 

[dobbslc]

A strange twist in the tale !
My neighbour ordered 475 liters of oil for the newly fitted tank and 3 weeks later a message goes round on WhatsApp that it's all gone again!
First thoughts were the pikeys have been back and nicked it
Then I went round for a nosy and the tank is completely untouched and the lock is like new, the newly installed Ring camera has picked up nothing, the dog didnt bark etc etc.
I then see that the pipe between the tank and the boiler (about 3 meters and buried) is normal 15mm copper pipe with soldered joints! The boiler was serviced a couple of weeks before all this started so I think it's been knocked and the pipe has cracked.
The plumber has been back and will test the pipe by "putting some oil in it and watching it"
Personally I'd just pressure test it
We all agree that although its cost her a lot of money it would be preferable if it was a leak!

 

[addjunkie]

500 liters would make a bit of a mess, probably very obvious one with both smell and oily residue of a wet day

 

[Parm]

500 liters would make a bit of a mess, probably very obvious one with both smell and oily residue of a wet day

This is what I was thinking

 

[8ob]

We all agree that although its cost her a lot of money it would be preferable if it was a leak!

Not if she has to pick up the bill for decontamination, that can get a bit spendy

Bob

 

[tom2207]

A strange twist in the tale !
My neighbour ordered 475 liters of oil for the newly fitted tank and 3 weeks later a message goes round on WhatsApp that it's all gone again!
First thoughts were the pikeys have been back and nicked it
Then I went round for a nosy and the tank is completely untouched and the lock is like new, the newly installed Ring camera has picked up nothing, the dog didnt bark etc etc.
I then see that the pipe between the tank and the boiler (about 3 meters and buried) is normal 15mm copper pipe with soldered joints! The boiler was serviced a couple of weeks before all this started so I think it's been knocked and the pipe has cracked.
The plumber has been back and will test the pipe by "putting some oil in it and watching it"
Personally I'd just pressure test it
We all agree that although its cost her a lot of money it would be preferable if it was a leak!

if you report it to the insurance , you wont know what 20k looks like ,, bunded soil removal , men in white suits etc etc ,,, it happend to a guy I know twenty years ago ,, the bill was huge but the insurance covered it ,, I think the **** just rusted out of an old square metal tank ,,, throw a few gallons in and watch , but i would be expecting the plumber to cover the costs ,,, I put oil lines in using gas pipe , as it has the bonded plastic coat on , but I also run it in alkathene or the likes too .

 

[S-Rail]

A strange twist in the tale !
My neighbour ordered 475 liters of oil for the newly fitted tank and 3 weeks later a message goes round on WhatsApp that it's all gone again!
First thoughts were the pikeys have been back and nicked it
Then I went round for a nosy and the tank is completely untouched and the lock is like new, the newly installed Ring camera has picked up nothing, the dog didnt bark etc etc.
I then see that the pipe between the tank and the boiler (about 3 meters and buried) is normal 15mm copper pipe with soldered joints! The boiler was serviced a couple of weeks before all this started so I think it's been knocked and the pipe has cracked.
The plumber has been back and will test the pipe by "putting some oil in it and watching it"
Personally I'd just pressure test it
We all agree that although its cost her a lot of money it would be preferable if it was a leak!

If it’s a bunded tank , check the bund , void between the two , we had several that had leaked via a faulty washer / seal .
May not explain where all 500 have gone but food for thought .

Along with I don’t think your meant to solder oil lines .

 

[brightspark]

only needs 10mm plastic coated copper for oil boiler

 

[S-Rail]

if you report it to the insurance , you wont know what 20k looks like ,, bunded soil removal , men in white suits etc etc ,,, it happend to a guy I know twenty years ago ,, the bill was huge but the insurance covered it ,, I think the **** just rusted out of an old square metal tank ,,, throw a few gallons in and watch , but i would be expecting the plumber to cover the costs ,,, I put oil lines in using gas pipe , as it has the bonded plastic coat on , but I also run it in alkathene or the likes too .

My sister had this about 20 years ago , the eight gauge had at snapped and twisted over , 1000 litres across the lawn . Garden was about 15 metres square , no access . Had to be dug out to about 2 foot and all removed by bucket through the house as there was no access and then the same amount of soil brought back in . They were there weeks

 

[tom2207]

I've put stronger locks and padlocks on the rear full-height gate to the back of the house, and on my small block-built shed/workshop. My oil tank is right up at the rear corner of the back, behind the workshop (there is a public footpath right behind, but a Thief would give to handball the fuel away so hopefully nit too appealing).

It's a pointless, futile exercise to think that ANYONE now in "the Public Sector" (Police, Council, Local Authority, Civil Service, Politicians) are going to actually do anything for you (unless doing so serves a personal gain/ advantage that is). These "professions" are now the preserve for the feckless & self-serving looking for a free ride and a fat taxpayer pension fir minimal effort. They are Parasites feeding off us, not Public Servants working for the common good.

Now, most of the robbing B'stards (New Statesman) are the ones IN the Establishment, where their actions are protected and sanctioned

Firm ,,, but fair summary .

 

[dobbslc]

only needs 10mm plastic coated copper for oil boiler

That's what I installed for my new boiler.

 

[dobbslc]

500 liters would make a bit of a mess, probably very obvious one with both smell and oily residue of a wet day

That's the only thing, there's not much smell! We're on solid clay here and after this long dry spell I wonder if it's just run through the shrinkage cracks?

 

[dobbslc]

If it’s a bunded tank , check the bund , void between the two , we had several that had leaked via a faulty washer / seal .
May not explain where all 500 have gone but food for thought .

Along with I don’t think your meant to solder oil lines .

I'm not 100% sure but I don't think it's a bunded tank.
And that's what I thought about soldered joints...