Fumin' but it's my fault

[addjunkie]

My neighbour who's a very good carpenter / roofer has recently bought into red stuff. Uses a mixture of all to be fair because he's a farmer and never throws anything out.

Reason behind it was down to one tool - their framing nail gun. I've got almost exclusively red stuff as it started off with mechanics tools so made sense when I wanted a nail gun.

Whenever Tom was around and needed a framing nail gun mine mysteriously disappeared. Funny you could actually hear from several hundred yards away which one he was using. The key selling point was he said the Paslodes he has really don't like the 4" ring shank nails and always leave them proud. Even in the crappy stuff that passes for wood these days. The Milwaukee on the other hand needs to be dialed back to its minimum power and still sinks them in below the surface usually.

His mate who works with him complained it was heavier so was going to stick to the Paslodes. When I asked if the Milwaukee was heavier than the Paslode and a hammer he went very quiet...

A well maintained plaselode puts them in fully. Its the well maintained bit that the issue, they seem to need more tlc than other brands.

In days gone buy youd have paid to get a repair estimate on some stuff, as it was almost fixed by the time you’d figured out what was wrong with it!

 

[eLuSiVeMiTe]

A well maintained plaselode puts them in fully. Its the well maintained bit that the issue, they seem to need more tlc than other brands.

And that's why I ended up gasless. Mine are used infrequently but get used hard when they do.
7 years old. Zero maintenance.

 

[James1979]

My neighbour who's a very good carpenter / roofer has recently bought into red stuff. Uses a mixture of all to be fair because he's a farmer and never throws anything out.

Reason behind it was down to one tool - their framing nail gun. I've got almost exclusively red stuff as it started off with mechanics tools so made sense when I wanted a nail gun.

Whenever Tom was around and needed a framing nail gun mine mysteriously disappeared. Funny you could actually hear from several hundred yards away which one he was using. The key selling point was he said the Paslodes he has really don't like the 4" ring shank nails and always leave them proud. Even in the crappy stuff that passes for wood these days. The Milwaukee on the other hand needs to be dialed back to its minimum power and still sinks them in below the surface usually.

His mate who works with him complained it was heavier so was going to stick to the Paslodes. When I asked if the Milwaukee was heavier than the Paslode and a hammer he went very quiet...

What model is that?

I’ve got a whole house of cladding to do and can’t make head or tail of the Milwaukee offerings.

Wood is not what I do.

 

[Screwdriver]

Is Festool stuff any good? I not owned a single thing they have made!

I get the impression that Festool is a system you buy into, bit like Apple products. The range makes sense when you use it together with all the other products they make.

So you pay more than you might for a premium product, yes cheaper equally decent products are available but the Festool system integrates your workflow and after sales service is second to none.

 

[sako243]

What model is that?

M18-FFN - as far as I know they only do one framing nailer, all the others are smaller gauge.

Built a 6x4.4m (2.4m to eaves) stables and did all the framing on one and a half charges of a 5Ah battery and all the cladding (just over 1000 nails) on half a battery.

A well maintained plaselode puts them in fully. Its the well maintained bit that the issue, they seem to need more tlc than other brands.

In days gone buy youd have paid to get a repair estimate on some stuff, as it was almost fixed by the time you’d figured out what was wrong with it!

It's not just the maintenance, he does service them, but it used to be a case that a gas cartridge supplied with the packs would last the pack - not so any more, which means he has to buy extra cartridges.

 

[Pete.]

A friend of mine repairs a lot of small engines and his insurance company won't let him return consaws with an old blade fitted, if he refits a blade he's liable for it if anything goes wrong. He just tells people to remove the blade before dropping them in and notes on the invoice that it's returned with no blade.
Doesn't apply to chainsaws though for some reason

Con saw? Concrete cutting saw is that with a diamond blade?

Probably the least likely type of blade to harm you or suffer a failure of any common cutting blade types. They aren't sharp, not liable to burst under even severe over - speeding. A chainsaw chain by comparison is like an angry cat just waiting for its moment to strike.

 

[Keithmac]

I'm a Milwaukee fan, started off with their M12 Battery Ratchets and went from there.

Got quite a lot of M12 kit now at work and home and haven't come across a bad tool yet.

 

[anto44]

Con saw? Concrete cutting saw is that with a diamond blade?

Probably the least likely type of blade to harm you or suffer a failure of any common cutting blade types. They aren't sharp, not liable to burst under even severe over - speeding. A chainsaw chain by comparison is like an angry cat just waiting for its moment to strike.

It's the abrasive blades where the issue comes from rather than the diamond blades I'd imagine. More than likely it's just a knee jerk reaction from the insurance company after one claim and the person who came up with the policy probably never seen one of these saws never mind used one.

 

[daleyd]

Back to the original post, it's crazy they are taking and binning stuff like that, I can see no reason why it couldn't be removed and handed back to you with the saw when you collected. Is it just people are so scared of litigation they now resort to this?

 

[anto44]

Is it just people are so scared of litigation they now resort to this?

That's pretty much it, the other thing is that insurance has become such a big cost for businesses that a lot of us are terrified of the possibility of price increases and are afraid to even question the insurance companies in case they raise our premiums that we just accept any rules they impose on us

 

[500e]

Many years ago I read of a similar problem, but it was justified (sort of).
Someone mailed a Lycoming aircraft engine camshaft back to the factory for inspection and overhauling (if possible).

It was worn beyond use, and Lycoming sent it back with a reject sticker, and sawn in half.
Nothing was indicated before hand about this policy.

The story related to me, was that the OEM did not want that camshaft re-installed in an airplane, and figured any lawsuit from
the destroying of the part was cheaper than the lawsuit from a crashed airplane.

We always make sure that anything that has run out of hours or faulty is unusable for our peace of mind and other peoples safety, it has been known for items to appear on SH market with spurious paper work, if it has a serial No. it is traceable right back to manufacturer, there can be a whole lot of hurt following a accident

 

[ajlelectronics]

That's pretty much it, the other thing is that insurance has become such a big cost for businesses that a lot of us are terrified of the possibility of price increases and are afraid to even question the insurance companies in case they raise our premiums that we just accept any rules they impose on us

Don't include me in your generalisations. Like solicitors, insurers are often too big for their boots and a carefully targeted, written barb can often make them think twice. People are far too scared to question "authority" which merely emboldens them.

 

[anto44]

Don't include me in your generalisations. Like solicitors, insurers are often too big for their boots and a carefully targeted, written barb can often make them think twice. People are far too scared to question "authority" which merely emboldens them.

Sorry I wasn't trying to offend anyone with that comment and didn't mean to generalise. That's just the impression I've gotten over the years that some people, not everyone, but a lot of the people I talk to are afraid to question their insurance companies out of fear of increasing premiums.

 

[daleyd]

I kind of understand about stuff that’s legally unfit for purpose (eg dive cylinder, aircraft parts etc), but a perfectly good saw blade?? Just take it off and hand it back separate from the saw when it returned - no chance of any comeback. I just don’t understand any logic in binning it.

 

[MattF]

It is not until recently I bought into a lot of battery tools - I am a mechanic - so went for Milwaukee - they do ratchets/impact wrenches in all sizes plus rubber boots for most things.

That's the main thing when choosing a platform. Preference obviously plays a part, but that's no use if they don't make the tools you want/need.

That's where Bosch were lacking for ages, IMHO. The penny finally dropped that they needed/need to expand their range.

 

[ajlelectronics]

Sorry I wasn't trying to offend anyone with that comment and didn't mean to generalise.

Nobody has taken any offence, it was just a reasonable reply to your reasonable observation.

 

[CompoSimmonite]

Mate worked for BT. They had new harnesses for when climbing poles. The old harnesses had to be cut up so they couldn't be accidentally used. The new harnesses then shortly after were deemed unsafe. For a while nobody working for BT had a suitable harness to climb a pole and repairs / maintenance couldn't be done !

 

[premmington]

Nobody has taken any offence, it was just a reasonable reply to your reasonable observation.

@ajlelectronics has broad shoulders - is a decent chap - and does not take offence easily (that's why I like him)


Plus he will call a "spade a spade" - there is no grey area.

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[ajlelectronics]

I kind of understand about stuff that’s legally unfit for purpose (eg dive cylinder, aircraft parts etc), but a perfectly good saw blade?? Just take it off and hand it back separate from the saw when it returned - no chance of any comeback. I just don’t understand any logic in binning it.

I wouldn't mind it being returned unfitted, but to permanently deprive the owner of the blade is a definition of theft. Terms and conditions do not override the law, nor the Unfair Contracts Act.

 

[addjunkie]

@ajlelectronics has broad shoulders - is a decent chap - and does not take offence easily (that's why I like him)


Plus he will call a "spade a spade" - there is no grey area.

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All very civil today. I agree some people in some big organisations almost find a reason not to do things, or not to help, hiding in their jobsworth process and procedures, that they probably dont actually know. Gambling that you dont know them either!