Bryan Williams
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Yes i feel like I'm getting 20/30 miles less on a full tank, and it runs a bit rougher, 10 year old fiesta zetec.
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Moose McAlpine
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qwakers
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well yes, you would, ethanol is less energy dense.
keithski122
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I seem to have better fuel consumption and runs fine with E10.
Wildatlanticwelder
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And available even cheaper from the washplant!
Its always been a minefield buying diesel near the border
Oil was serious cheap last year which makes it look worse, everyone was buying extra tanks to get heating oil it was that cheap. Youd be better calculating from the year before.
Wildatlanticwelder
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About an hours drive away from me we have the countrys only refinery, and for some reason the fuel is usually expensive near it 
Anyone notice that water will now mix with diesel and make it cloudy
And the petrol has has hardly a smell on it , slower to evaporate also.
I think the addition of ethanol is to help sway our minds towards ev's make our fuels less efficent , reduce range , and cause faults/breakdowns ...
Anyone notice that water will now mix with diesel and make it cloudy
And the petrol has has hardly a smell on it , slower to evaporate also.
I think the addition of ethanol is to help sway our minds towards ev's make our fuels less efficent , reduce range , and cause faults/breakdowns ...
don't think they are that bright
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As a comparison, the missus had to charge the EV at IKEA on the way home from work the other day. I believe she was on about 15% and filled it to about 55%. So 40% fill, that's about 55 real miles in the Leaf. It cost £4.09 from Gridserve, a bit steep by home charging standards, that's roughly 16kWh and would have been around £2.70 at home. Home charging is around 17p per kWh whereas commercial fast chargers are around 26p per kWh the last time I checked. I get about 30mpg out of the Ranger, diesel is about £6.75 a gallon. Not a good comparison vehicle wise, but if it was a similar size car, say 55mpg, so £2.70 for 55 miles home charge, 4 quid for fast charge or £6.75 for diesel. Yes, EVs are dearer to buy, shorter range and are the spawn of Satan I'm not trying to make any ICE/EV point, just comparing fuel costs. It won't be long before there is some kind of duty recovery scheme on EVs anyway 
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Let's not get political. Besides 70% on the boats are refugees not migrants using Priti's departments own figures not what is fed to you by the media.
brewdexta
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Government syphons 4 billion of public money into there mates pockets and gets caught bang to rights. On no, what shall we do? I know, get the press to stick some poor scared people in boats on the front page, pick one obvious migrant, accentuate the story and label the refugees as migrants. People will froth at the mouth and forget they are being raped from within far more than they are from without. Works every time.
Refugees don't have any proper avenues to apply for asylum over here, Priti closed them all down, so the smugglers are having a field day.
If you want facts, watch this.
Refugees don't have any proper avenues to apply for asylum over here, Priti closed them all down, so the smugglers are having a field day.
If you want facts, watch this.
Cato
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I can see the case for cars, but it's not even close for vans.As a comparison, the missus had to charge the EV at IKEA on the way home from work the other day. I believe she was on about 15% and filled it to about 55%. So 40% fill, that's about 55 real miles in the Leaf. It cost £4.09 from Gridserve, a bit steep by home charging standards, that's roughly 16kWh and would have been around £2.70 at home. Home charging is around 17p per kWh whereas commercial fast chargers are around 26p per kWh the last time I checked. I get about 30mpg out of the Ranger, diesel is about £6.75 a gallon. Not a good comparison vehicle wise, but if it was a similar size car, say 55mpg, so £2.70 for 55 miles home charge, 4 quid for fast charge or £6.75 for diesel. Yes, EVs are dearer to buy, shorter range and are the spawn of Satan I'm not trying to make any ICE/EV point, just comparing fuel costs. It won't be long before there is some kind of duty recovery scheme on EVs anyway
I bought the Vivaro new in 2014 for £12k plus vat and it has 84000 on it now. I don't intend replacing it so I'd guess it has another 10 years to do. Aside from the whole life cost you have to take things like payload and charging time during the day into account.
The current commercial EV offerings just don't stack up unless you're purely doing short journeys inside a congestion/pollution zone.
brewdexta
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That's why I said I'm not comparing ICE/EV costs, just fuel. EV suits my wife as she has about a 110 mile round trip commute a couple of times a week. No tools or stores to move. If there was a charger at her destination then a 220 round trip would be feasible without stopping. Early days, it will power density and battery life will improve and capitsl costs come down.
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Yeah, bit of a confusing reply on my part.
I was trying to say I agree for cars, but unfortunately the technology isn't suitable for the commercial world at the moment. Which is unfortunate given the number of commercial vehicles on the road. Aside from pollution, a reduction in running costs would benefit everyone.
