Formula 1

[PhillipM]

Unfortunately the last one I did ended up with us towing a friends car home for a police investigation into his death, stopped after that really, I still marshal occassionally.

 

[mike os]

Stewards issued a penalty... they always do that to the driver that was right, without fail

 

[PhillipM]

Stewards issued a penalty to be seen to be doing something. If Max hadn't crashed and had just gone wide after the touch, they wouldn't have done anything. Which is politics, not stewarding.
If you don't agree with that then as already said, they did nothing at all when they banged wheels earlier, when it was far more clear cut.

Lewis wasn't 'right' - it was a racing incident, both drivers had room and time to avoid or back out of that and neither did. It was 50/50.

Ironic that the only people arguing against it are the ones that aren't involved in racing themselves. When even other team bosses down the pitlane are saying it's a racing incident.

 

[Guest 10992]

Lewis had the line and once again we saw Crashappen make contact by driving into him. He thought he had it made but he didn't, Brilliant brilliant win today by Lewis. Horner is just utterly pathetic winging every two seconds and talking about standards. Pity he couldn't live by his own personal standards or morals as theyr'e nothing to write home about. The guy is just poison.
Well done Lewis.

 

[PhillipM]

And on the other hand if the guy behind you is 3/4 of the way alongside it's fine to make a move onto the way into the corner to shove him on the inside line and then turn into him and cry 'foul' if you come of worse and happily stay ahead after the collision if not?

Racing incident. Verstappen knew what he was risking. If that was any other corner on the track he'd be getting penalised for moving twice on the way into the corner.

 

[Guest 10992]

There was no mistake and Lewis has always been more than man enough to admit his mistakes and today wasn't one of them unlike crashappen. Lewis had the line and all crashappen had to do was not drive into him, but once again he couldn't manage it, just as he did with LeClerc. Brilliant brilliant drive by Lewis and no one can take that away.

 

[ukracer]

Stewards issued a penalty... they always do that to the driver that was right, without fail

Actually they do.. as it's only an opinion (unlike speeding in the pitlane) etc.

 

[PhillipM]

Actually no. Unless you are ahead, your opponent "has the corner" which makes it your job to keep out of his way, he can choose whatever line he likes. Once you're ahead, yes, it is the guy who has been overtaken who must then take avoiding action.

That's not been a rule for a long time, that's just Horner bluster, if you have your front wing ahead of the rear tyre of your opponent they have to give you room, easy as that.

Go look at Verstappen putting his car in the exact same place in 2018 or 2019 and nobody had a problem with it.

 

[ukracer]

We will have to see what Lewis says but even though the "penalty" was obviously so trivial for almost killing an opponent, he was adjudged to have made a mistake which caused a crash.

Lewis did not have the line, it was not his corner. He was behind Max and tried to bail out too late. even then he still ran wide himself.

"All Max had to do was not drive into him" well how is he going to do that without disappearing or driving off the track to keep out of the way - which is exactly what Leclerc had to do when Hamilton decided to use that same corner to prove a point.

Le clerc did not have to go off. He tried to brake later and ran out of grip.
Lewis was a second of a lap quicker nearly every lap.

 

[Gragson]

If the situation had been the other way, you could literally flip the opinion & arguments the other way round from the teams and supporters and likely the posts on here.

How things are seen are influenced by who you support and who you don't like, irrationally or otherwise...

 

[PhillipM]

And Max being in hospital has no bearing on a stewards decision. Nor the crash, nor horner whining about how much the car will cost to repair. That's what you don't appear to understand about stewarding.

Otherwise you're gonna have crashes where the person on the outside turns into someone to stop them overtaking, if they get away with it, they stay ahead, if they crash, the guy on the inside minding his own business suddenly gets a DQ so you've stopped him getting a lead anyway.
Penalties are for the cause of the collision, not the result.

 

[Rkweld]

Its very easy to sit and criticise the whole situation. The stewards are hit hard for being too controlling or not being controlling enough. Its sickening for anything to happen to any driver, marshall or spectator due to a spur of the moment mistake. I would have been happy to see both penalised but if there was no crash as a result would everyone be crying that the stewards are stifling competitive racing with over the top stewarding.

 

[Rkweld]

I think it is down to the 2 drivers to think was it worth THAT out come and learn from it.

 

[PhillipM]

Just for one here:

Lewis should have just turned into Max's car here and called foul, by everyone arguing against it, right. That would have been a fair thing to do? Just turn into the Red Bull *because Lewis had the racing line*, get hit, crash, watch the other guy drive off into the distance while whining about it? Hell they even touch on the straight before the corner.
edit: 32s since yt blocked it

How about earlier than that when Max was off track and hits Lewis's front wheel rejoining? Lewis should have just run all the way out onto the kerb instead because it was 'his corner' and tipped Max into a spin or pushed him onto the grass?

It was a racing incident, the 10s penalty was a political "We did something go away" penalty. That Max is in the hospital for normal precautionary checks or the car is totalled isn't relevant to anything.
Max himself has pulled the same move on the inside there previously.

 

[pedrobedro]

I just watched a video and in my opinion Hamilton had the line and Verstappen cut in on him. Has he got mirrors on his car ?

 

[KemppiFrog]

Jeez, lot pf partisan opinions.
From what I saw, Hamilton couldn't turn in to the racing line(grip?) and V tried to and got clipped. I doubt many of you get to make inch decisions at 150mph+, and it sometimes goes wrong.

Back when Shumaker used to deliberatly crash other cars, the FIA turned a blind eye because of Ferrari. Not now. The penalty could have had a much worse result, but didn't. 10 secs is an age in F1

 

[slim_boy_fat]

I think I'll be getting my motor racing thrills from BTTC and MotoGP in future, F1 has lost its appeal for me.

Way too much raz-ma-taz and Americanisation, I did wonder how they were going to fill 2.50 hours of pre-race coverage. Answer? Give Tom Cruise far to much air time

 

[Bladevane]

The opinions I have read over the last few pages (with a couple of exceptions) remind of the yokels leaning on a farm gate watching a farm labourer milking a cow by hand. All of them, in their opinion, could have done a better job.

Moral: if you don't have something sensible and constructive to say, keep quiet.

 

[mike os]

I think I'll be getting my motor racing thrills from BTTC and MotoGP in future, F1 has lost its appeal for me.

Way too much raz-ma-taz and Americanisation, I did wonder how they were going to fill 2.50 hours of pre-race coverage. Answer? Give Tom Cruise far to much air time

I only caught the start…. Was bored by the time the red flag came out

 

[Richiew]

I am no fan of Hamilton but he and his Mercedes were the fastest thing out there today by quite a margin. If Max hadn't gone off, he would have been left in the rear view mirror within a lap or two. All the "accident, error, racing incident, or dangerous driving" opinion is moot. It is a race after all.

In my uninformed opinion.