Drawings

[Rocketman]

Subjective to the task at hand to be fair but I will do my best to explain. In the main when ever I see plans that don't work its CAD that has been used (although there is an aspect of the lower skill / training level generally of some CAD operators). Quick sketches are however even more fatal, either scale it and draw it right or do it from the top of your head IMO. Its all operator error to be fair no matter the equipment but if you take things that have to look aesthetically right its the drawing board all the way and that's why top designers from clothes furniture, cars and architecture still use them at the formative stages.
Go buy a kitchen from B&Q and they will knock you out a rag and drop CAD in minutes, go to one of the high end bespoke companies and its hours before they come up with hand drawn scaled drawings and perspectives.

Nothing past the creative visualisation of the look of a car is done by hand (and even that isn't so true anymore) and nothing is hand drawn to scale full stop. In other words it's totally dead in the automotive industry.

Anything in engineering now can be done far better in CAD, far less mistakes and much easier to make changes quickly.

As far as kitchens go. The software, training people to use it is the main problem - there isn't enough money in the jobs.

Drawing outside CAD means any automation in the process is far more time consuming and adds another point of mistakes being made.

AutoCAD isn't the best, people can draw something in one view that is not correct to another view - much like can be done by hand on the drawing board.

Poor training/employees would be the same on the drawing board.

 

[ross1993]

Nothing past the creative visualisation of the look of a car is done by hand (and even that isn't so true anymore) and nothing is hand drawn to scale full stop. In other words it's totally dead in the automotive industry.

Anything in engineering now can be done far better in CAD, far less mistakes and much easier to make changes quickly.

As far as kitchens go. The software, training people to use it is the main problem - there isn't enough money in the jobs.

Drawing outside CAD means any automation in the process is far more time consuming and adds another point of mistakes being made.

AutoCAD isn't the best, people can draw something in one view that is not correct to another view - much like can be done by hand on the drawing board.

Poor training/employees would be the same on the drawing board.

i agree this is the down fall of auto cad , but then came 3d models where each individual part is put together , this gives the draftsman better knowledge of the kit , and how it all goes together. we get roasted at work if we dont take the shop floor into account, everything from sheet utilization to welding has to be considered. when creating drawings from 3d models each view is taken from the model so it is always right , update the model and it updates every view automatically , granted though this kind of software costs a lot more and takes a lot longer to learn.

 

[Welderpaul]

when creating drawings from 3d models each view is taken from the model so it is always right , update the model and it updates every view automatically , granted though this kind of software costs a lot more and takes a lot longer to learn.

Tekla?

 

[ross1993]

Tekla is the next step again , even creates your drawings for you . However initial set up of templates and stuff takes a long time

 

[Welderpaul]

All our structural stuff is done in Tekla, big time saver. Everything else in 2D - much more skill required IMO for 2D, but dying off now?

 

[ross1993]

completely agree , takes a much higher skill set to be able to use autocad and get it right . however it also takes a lot more time

 

[Kent]

Nothing past the creative visualisation of the look of a car is done by hand (and even that isn't so true anymore) and nothing is hand drawn to scale full stop. In other words it's totally dead in the automotive industry.

Anything in engineering now can be done far better in CAD, far less mistakes and much easier to make changes quickly.

As far as kitchens go. The software, training people to use it is the main problem - there isn't enough money in the jobs.

Drawing outside CAD means any automation in the process is far more time consuming and adds another point of mistakes being made.

AutoCAD isn't the best, people can draw something in one view that is not correct to another view - much like can be done by hand on the drawing board.

Poor training/employees would be the same on the drawing board.

Funny as ex-national design and survey trainer for Moben before their demise at the hands of asset strippers, I can tell you that besides the short stayers who couldn't make their way past the first three months I don't think hardly any designers eared less than 30k and many were into six figures! Money in the jobs too little? Do you know why that industry is mainly CAD at the low end? Skills shortages!

Its getting a little weary talking to people who either can't or don't. I do both and started back in the days of MS Dos based systems that regular crashed out. Guess what I spent yesterday at the drawing board. Yes, I prefer it but to say one is so much better than the other is very wrong its like saying a file is better than a grinder or the reverse and both are useless in the wrong hands, just like a scale rule or keypad

 

[Rocketman]

Funny as ex-national design and survey trainer for Moben before their demise at the hands of asset strippers, I can tell you that besides the short stayers who couldn't make their way past the first three months I don't think hardly any designers eared less than 30k and many were into six figures! Money in the jobs too little? Do you know why that industry is mainly CAD at the low end? Skills shortages!

Its getting a little weary talking to people who either can't or don't. I do both and started back in the days of MS Dos based systems that regular crashed out. Guess what I spent yesterday at the drawing board. Yes, I prefer it but to say one is so much better than the other is very wrong its like saying a file is better than a grinder or the reverse and both are useless in the wrong hands, just like a scale rule or keypad

Sorry but CAD is so much better than the drawing board. It's not like comparing a file and a grinder it more like comparing bronze age to modern times with all the kit. There is nothing you can't do in CAD but there is loads of stuff you can't do on a drawing board. That's without even looking at the time saving which is massive.

 

[Rocketman]

All our structural stuff is done in Tekla, big time saver. Everything else in 2D - much more skill required IMO for 2D, but dying off now?

completely agree , takes a much higher skill set to be able to use autocad and get it right . however it also takes a lot more time

I agree there can be a lot of skill in getting 2D correct. Well lets put that in another context. I would say a lot more concentration - it's matter of going through things in a methodical manner and unless you keep your mind on the job bit's can be missed.

In structural steel that isn't so bad but when say in the old days of toolmaking you used the 2D to produce cutter paths on something like pathtrace it was critical that all those lines were 100% correct.

2D more skilled than 3D. Rather depends what you are talking about.

In my line of work no that would not be true. Being able to import complex surfaces (which years ago wasn't even possible) and then create a tool design which involves some serious surfacing that you need to take into account how things will be cut on the CNC is difficult to say the least. It's took the job to a whole new level. What you do will be cut by the CNC and with the complexity of the surfaces it is quite a process getting it right. Personally I quite look forward to the curvy freeform surface jobs looking at it as a challenge but I know others who hate doing them.

 

[Kent]

Sorry but CAD is so much better than the drawing board. It's not like comparing a file and a grinder it more like comparing bronze age to modern times with all the kit. There is nothing you can't do in CAD but there is loads of stuff you can't do on a drawing board. That's without even looking at the time saving which is massive.

Obviously you don't / cant do both.

 

[Rocketman]

Obviously you don't / cant do both.

? Obviously I can't draw on a board is that what you mean?

Did 5 years on the board. Late 80's into the 90's.

Only time I see actual drawings now days is when someone digs a very old job out they want converting to CAD but that's getting pretty rare now.

 

[Dov]

Ive been a draftsmen four years , work for an intentional engineering company , if anybody needs 3D models, 2D drawings or little sketches just give me a shout won't cost you anything.

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