mike os
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Something so few people understand… I’ve got a bright shiny new certificate, I’m now an expert and want 50k
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Parm
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I’ve got lots of bright shiny certificates now and earn £2.99, but 30 years ago I started at the bottom, even though I’d done a very specific and vocational course at uni
winchman
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A few years ago I rejected a RAMS, the contractor then started to name drop and tell me how the consultant is a member of this that and the other, once I pointed out they are just groups you pay to join and has he reviewed the consultant real quals and experience he shut up.
There is just no substitute for visiting the work area looking around then writing the RAMS.
This cannot and should not be done remotely well unless you want to increase the chance of a prosecution?.
One contractor I know its done remotely but the lads are well trained and they can edit it so thats been working for them, but its all down to how thorough they are and how simple the task is.
All to often people dont realise these very documents will be used in court to prosecute you / the company, so they must be given the time, care and attention to detail they deserve.
Do any of the people concerned have a quick look here before they allow a contractor on site?
The OP;s manager I feel doesn't understand the consequence of it going wrong and the costs and time scale of any actions taken against the company
There is just no substitute for visiting the work area looking around then writing the RAMS.
This cannot and should not be done remotely well unless you want to increase the chance of a prosecution?.
One contractor I know its done remotely but the lads are well trained and they can edit it so thats been working for them, but its all down to how thorough they are and how simple the task is.
All to often people dont realise these very documents will be used in court to prosecute you / the company, so they must be given the time, care and attention to detail they deserve.
Do any of the people concerned have a quick look here before they allow a contractor on site?
Public register of enforcement notices
This site provides the detail of HSE prosecutions resulting in a successful conviction within the last 5 years.
resources.hse.gov.uk
northwest
Searching for the Holy Grail.........
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I have a full wall of Rules, Orders of the Day, Insurance docs, you name it.
As an experiment I started to take all the newbies to this area and discuss all sorts with them. I made sure we walked to and from and past this wall at least half a dozen times.
Then I would sit them down in the lounge area and ask them what they had seen. Without exception, the wall of paper had not been noticed.
Sometimes human nature kicks in and overload is just that so you need to be creative and also patient with some people.
Then they might get it.
Munkul
Jack of some trades, Master of none
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I hear ya, some of the best workers are the ones who are the most stubborn...
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Kayos
Gone......
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For a site in a big public area I have just ordered a load of Herres fencing banners, some are just company branded but I have some coming with a 1.5m x 1m sign, either site safety, site rules or a map showing which zone is which
These will be posted on the route to the compound
That's why we had standing orders and routine notices that were read out daily .
Then they were available on a clip board for a month. Each document had to be signed off by each watch officer.
addjunkie
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Anda week later, could they tell you what they had signed?
Quite possibly....usually at least one of the watch would know the gist of it. But at least it would be all read out.
The initials were just to show the watch had seen it and staying on the notice board for a month meant if you were on holiday you could catch up before they were filed.
Pete.
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That's why I brief the guys on the RAMS personally and put my own signature in the 'briefed by' box. If you write a comprehensive RAMS and then leave people to read & sign them even if they have signed to say they have read and understood them when it hits the fan they will simply say "nope, he just put the piece of paper under my nose and said sign this". Loads of people do that and they don't realise the size of hole they are digging.
addjunkie
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yep even when at the start of each shift they were all briefed, still ignored it all once they started. They were a panic type squad, brought in who were more used to working in hot sandy locations.
One of the reasons I no longer work for that organisation, as they thought it acceptable to rush and cut corners as the job needed doing, as it was costing big money/ reputation.
Twas an interesting culture change during the TUPE period.
8ob
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We are quite lucky in that our procedures/methods don't change very much and we always insist on sole possession of our work area. It must be virtually impossible to raise a workable RAMS on some sites, especially ones like @Pete. works on, they look like complete chaos with dozens of other contractors/trades all tripping over each other.
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