robert-shetland
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For now but hopefully not forever all going wellAre you going to be the only person using the workshop?
For now but hopefully not forever all going wellAre you going to be the only person using the workshop?
If he's not got anyone else using his workshop why would he need LOLER etc. paperwork? In my "one man" garages and workshops there are three gantry cranes and a four post lift. I built or modified and installed all of them and am not expecting a raid on my premises by the health and safety police serious welding squad. Here's two of the cranes and my narrowed down Four post lift:
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You sound like you are in the know on these things.I’m surprised you haven’t been pulled apart by your insurance company
Forget safety folk, they are ultra strict on statutory examinations and it doesn’t matter how many folk work there
You will find that if anything goes pear shaped you won’t have insurance coverage if statutory examination aren’t in place
Our lot regularly inspect garages. Statutory examinations must be available for inspection, no matter how many folk work there
Edit: should have enquired are you a business? Or a home hobbiest?
Regs only apply to business
Cant see him ticketing a bucket of turds, if its as hot as the abseiling loler nothing slips through.
I am sort of in the know but only from a regulatory angleYou sound like you are in the know on these things.
So i suppose my questions are simply this.
1, can i build it from an approved design (codings long expired)
2, can i get it tested and certified afterwards?
The size of the gantry i need is the issue living where i live to get it built and delivered would be roughly 4k, and i have costed that i can build it myself for around 600 pounds. Just need to get it certified afterwards.
Thanks
Robert
Do you think i would get one second hand roughly 4.5m each way, i have been looking and never seen anything close to be honest.It needs to be designed by a competent person (A structural engineer usually) who will specify the Execution Class under BS1090 and prepare calcs
It needs to be manufactured in accordance with the design by a BS1090 accredited company in accordance with the Execution Class specified (Yes, BS9606 qualified welder)
Lifting equipment sometimes needs additional 'type testing'
Once manufactured it needs to undergo a thorough examination by a LEEA accredited company, including proof load
CE certificate and DoP should be prepared.
The kit should be then covered by a written scheme of examination and undergo 12 monthly (if not 6) thorough inspections
This goes one of three ways...make one and say nowt. Buy one off a reputable dealer, or, and as i would suggest, wait for a second hand decent one to come up (not a home made thing) and put it through a thorough test and have the paperwork to cover you and give you the proof you need that it is safe
Thanls for that, just really want to know if i can get it certified if i build it, cant find a second hand one 4.5m x 4.5m and doubt i will. And really dont want to go building one n then find out nobody will cert it.I am sort of in the know but only from a regulatory angle
The most comprehensive answer to your enquiry has been provided by @Welderpaul, he knows his beans on stuff like this
Thanls for that, just really want to know if i can get it certified if i build it, cant find a second hand one 4.5m x 4.5m and doubt i will. And really dont want to go building one n then find out nobody will cert it.
Thanls for that, just really want to know if i can get it certified if i build it, cant find a second hand one 4.5m x 4.5m and doubt i will. And really dont want to go building one n then find out nobody will cert it.
Thats fully understood,I've literally just told you that it's what my work do, and Lloyds don't need to see the design or any welding certificates.
Design is usually fairly easy. Simple beam calcs which can be done on a computer to give a maximum deflection for the test load, and usually scaled up one beam size from that
Calcs aren't hard, you get a I value for a given beam size, plug in a max point load at the middle of the span, and the span width...
Cross bracing must be thought about, also if you're attaching to existing steelwork that it's strong enough.
Lloyds come in, see a well designed and fabricated lifting beam, give it a once-over, load it up and measure deflection, and then issue a SWL sticker. Done.
Remember, this is NOT for other companies, this is for OWN USE
THEN you should have LOLER inspections etc, but that's up to you whether you want to be poor, or illegal.
Pressure systems are a bit more stringent, I look after our qualified pipe welders, our PSSR inspectors expect any new lines or repairs to be fabricated to code.
Sorry folks
Some of you are wrong when saying LOLER doesn’t apply to a one man band
LOLER applies to ALL lifting equipment and covers both employers, employees and the self employed
Anything that lifts or lowers a load must be inspected at intervals not exceeding 12 months
Anything that lifts a human must be tested at intervals not exceeding 6 months
Sorry folks
Some of you are wrong when saying LOLER doesn’t apply to a one man band
LOLER applies to ALL lifting equipment and covers both employers, employees and the self employed
Anything that lifts or lowers a load must be inspected at intervals not exceeding 12 months
Anything that lifts a human must be tested at intervals not exceeding 6 months
so do we all need to get our trolley jacks and for that matter car jacks, the one in the boot, engine cranes, etc. tested every 12 months if we are self employed?