boundry fence

[Screwdriver]

The resolution of landregistry data is not great, is often inaccurate, and sometimes is simply non existent.

When disputes happen, surveyors will look at physical items on the ground.

...like fences.

Finally! Exactly correct. I can put a fence upon somebody elses property, it does not become mine. Property is defined in law as legal ownership and unless a legal process is followed, cannot "become" someone elses over time. There are procedures for adverse possession but that is entirely another matter.

The only difficulty in establishing the ownership of a piece of land is proving where the boundary line is. Ideally that will be a straight line from a fixed feature like a house or roadway, perhaps a council feature but never just because there is a fence there unless there is some evidence the fence (typically a "marker" post) has been defined as the legal extent of the property. Like I said earlier, it is an offence to remove those markers.

@gaz1 is contradicting himself in this very thread by admitting the situation where a property had been "parked on" for years and yet finally a legal judgement was made as to the true owners.

I can park my car in Waitrose carpark, the land does not become mine. Similarly you can park a house or a fence on your neighbours property, it does not become yours.

 

[lotus_esprit_s1]

I bought a plot of land, there was a fenced off pathway adjacent to it that the next door house had been using as their own private pathway. It showed up on my deeds and land registry as being mine. If the next door neighbours had asked I would’ve gladly given it to them as I didn’t even want the path. Instead they decided to threaten me with solicitors letters as when I submitted planning permission the council insisted the boundary was marked on my plans as per the land registry.

End result was it cost the neighbours a couple of thousand in legal fees and I still own the path I didn’t even want to start with!

 

[gaz1]

@gaz1 is contradicting himself in this very thread by admitting the situation where a property had been "parked on" for years and yet finally a legal judgement was made as to the true owners.

I can park my car in Waitrose carpark, the land does not become mine. Similarly you can park a house or a fence on your neighbours property, it does not become yours.

actually @Screwdriver we own the first house ever built with the land registered to the house

our house was the original farm house built in a field no other houses existed on the street thats how old our deeds are and also the maps ive collected

we also own the second and third house now out of the 5 of them which was built as adddons onto the original property

so in our case land registry just used a blanket suggestion of lining the property up to the house ignoring the shared drain access and also not giving us access back to the shared drain through there land to maintain or clean the drain the other point we live in on a hill so if next door fails to maintain that drain we suffer from flooding

all kind of interesting but a real nightmare to deal with

 

[Screwdriver]

It is a nightmare I have been through a few times myself albeit not with so many houses.

With planning or permissions, boundaries etc. there are few hard and fast truths or certainties. Most disputes can only be determined after some arduously complex legal arguments.

Even if someone is well armed with a comprehensive knowledge of the relevant and applicable law, they still do not know what they do not know. On many occasions I found details in my own appeal could be dismissed on some seemingly insignificant point I did not even know could be relevant. I still won an appeal regarding my own shed though and that goes right up to the office of the Secretary of State!

 

[Pete.]

Google earth can be very useful for boundary issues. There's a timeline feature on it which you can use to roll back and see if/when things have changed to provide evidence/information.

This link is very handy and very interesting. Zoom right out so you can pan to your location, zoom in and then use the slider to go back 100yrs or whatever.

Detailed Old Map of NW1 5LR, NW15LR in LONDON, Camden, Westminster, London, England (Victorian Ordnance Survey 6 inch to 1 mile Old Map (1888-1913)) Postcode NW1 5LR, NW1 5LR, NW15LR in LONDON, Camden, Westminster, London, England Co-ordinates 51.5

Detailed Old Map of NW1 5LR, NW15LR in LONDON, Camden, Westminster, London, England (Victorian Ordnance Survey 6 inch to 1 mile Old Map (1888-1913)) Postcode NW1 5LR, NW1 5LR, NW15LR in LONDON, Camden, Westminster, London, England Archaeology UK (ARCHI UK): British Ordnance Survey Old map of...

www.archiuk.com

 

[Am333rcr]

cheers for all the good advice . i have said contact lawyer and property owner.

he was just asking my thoughts

thanks again