Parm
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It’s the machinery directive and PUWERDoes LOLR not come into effect if anyone builds these and then sells them on ?
It’s the machinery directive and PUWERDoes LOLR not come into effect if anyone builds these and then sells them on ?
The club itself owns three trolleys which are hired out , all the rest are privately owned by the boat owners.
Bilge keeled boats use trolleys with longitudinals towards outer edges with sleepers for the boat to sit on.
Fin keeled boats usually have the longitudinals closer together for the single keel to sit on. Its an old 20 year system but works.
Because we are a members club with volunteer labor It is not quite the same as if we had paid employees moving boats, Each boat owner is responsible for his own boats equipment (including trolley). Regular volunteer crews with much experience do the actual hauling out & moving but the owner has to be there.
Its a system that has evolved over time & works pretty well. Greater minds than mine look at the regs every year & the clubs insurance is pretty tight.
We are not a business & do not employ anyone to move boats, everyone concerned is a member of the same club and a volunteer, they are not employed, therefore H&S at work act doesnt strictly apply cos we are not at work. It is a bit of a grey area to be honest.
With private members clubs it was always said that a member couldnt sue the club as you cant sue yourself!
However it has become a fact of life that Member to Member liability does exist & any club should have this in place with its insurers. We do.
If someone can show me what regs are applicable i will pass it on to the officers & committee to deal with & apply
from what i read theres a little bit more in all of this and from what i read someones ignoring the h and s when it suits them but applies it in other areasMembers can bring guests onsite, but there is a limit of 3 times each guest per year. Family members or partners have to be associate or cadet members. We are pretty hot on this as some people will take the mickey. Only last year a member was given the choice of join your wife up or leave & dont come back. They chose to cut of their noses to spite their face.
Outside contractors, riggers, engineers, boatbuilders are allowed on the site but the member having the work done is responsible for them.
I think we have it as tight as we can get it. So no there is no access to the general public.
No. It’s about controlling risk and preventing harm. We have led the world on how to do this and we still doThis is how the country has become, like America, someone will end up with a fine or doing time. The real thing is why is health and safety legislation so complex and unclear to whether what you’re doing falls under it and if so what part.
Personally I’d at least make sure I’ve got all my paperwork for the steel, some copy of calculations or a load test +25% as a minimum.
Exactly...Where does all the bull stop Get the thing designed by an engineer, get the certs on the steel, get a coded welder to glue it together, get it load tested then some numpty will move the loaded trolley onto the soft and it will topple over and kill him because nobody has trained him to use it.
Bob
there negating whos responsable and who has overall power to say what should be doneWhile I agree there are responsibilities under health and safety. I suspect the club is a ltd company where members are liable for very little. However the question wasnt what are the legalities of using home build boat trollies. But any ideas on how we can build new ones to move the club and low cost boat ownership forward.
No it’s not. If a beam fails, they’re going to want to see where that steel came from and what heat it came from.No. It’s about controlling risk and preventing harm. We have led the world on how to do this and we still do
simply having certs for your steel is meaningless
Risk assessment, every time.No it’s not. If a beam fails, they’re going to want to see where that steel came from and what heat it came from.
You say that Parm but I just went on the worst H&S course ive ever been on, because it was boring and dumbed down.
Less people would have accidents if the people using the tools weren’t elevated to positions not suitable for their mental standing.
All the instructor wanted to do was scare us with who was to blame.
We have some great legislation in this country, but there needs to be some serious action bringing real risks, like Dust, RPE, Confined Spaces among others, into the forefront. Instead of every safety inspector telling you about glasses, gloves and ladders.
ladders are dangerous and always will be dangerous. You have to use them though.
Dust and fume, confined spaces. These risks can be solved, but people need to start getting more serious slaps on the wrists.
Obviously, it’s a legal requirement.Risk assessment, every time.
What due diligence did you do about the suitability of the courseNo it’s not. If a beam fails, they’re going to want to see where that steel came from and what heat it came from.
You say that Parm but I just went on the worst H&S course ive ever been on, because it was boring and dumbed down.
Less people would have accidents if the people using the tools weren’t elevated to positions not suitable for their mental standing.
All the instructor wanted to do was scare us with who was to blame.
We have some great legislation in this country, but there needs to be some serious action bringing real risks, like Dust, RPE, Confined Spaces among others, into the forefront. Instead of every safety inspector telling you about glasses, gloves and ladders.
ladders are dangerous and always will be dangerous. You have to use them though.
Dust and fume, confined spaces. These risks can be solved, but people need to start getting more serious slaps on the wrists.
I think you are under estimating the membership of a yacht club. My father was seceratery of a yacht club, that built its own club house and laid its own moorings all by member labour and donations. In a club you get a very eclectic membership comprising butchers baker candle stick makers, but also engineers, lawyers, Even a guy who designed and pioneered cervical cancer treatment. They are not idiots.there negating whos responsable and who has overall power to say what should be done
what they dont realise is the lot if them can and will go to jail if anything severe happens as they are all responsible for the running of the site
for h&s for externals working on someones boat it should be delivered to the yards tested boat holder unit and outside workers should be able to work safe on it or under it
its tested if it fails they have the testers certificate maintained and responsible boat yard